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Re: Now that it snowed they need to lock up Watt Canyon
« Reply #195 on: December 03, 2019, 07:52:32 PM »
No time like the present to unload those big rocks in the road.


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Re: Now that it snowed they need to lock up Watt Canyon
« Reply #196 on: December 03, 2019, 08:05:04 PM »
I think the open and unclaimed land needs to stop.
Anybody looked at a map lately ,there is no unclaimed land.
Back when the treaty was wrote I'm sure there was plenty of unclaimed land .

As far as off the reservation hunting,tribes and WDFW need to agree to disagree.on a number of permits for the tribe yearly.That way management and enforcement of Washington resources can take place.as of today I don't see any unclaimed land every square inch in this state has been claimed by somebody.Maybe if this was explained to tribe that you may lose all hunting off the reservation rights.Maybe an agreement on a set number of animals a year could be hashed out.

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Re: Now that it snowed they need to lock up Watt Canyon
« Reply #197 on: December 03, 2019, 08:09:12 PM »
Are we gonna start talking about corner crossing now?

ABOUT TO GO FULL CIRCLE ON ALL THE WOES OF LIVING IN WA. STATE. This checker board state gives it to every user group.
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Re: Now that it snowed they need to lock up Watt Canyon
« Reply #198 on: December 03, 2019, 08:10:16 PM »
The problem with of course being that white slave owners would routinely rape Indian slaves and then enslave their children. So if you are going to say someone has to be 100% Native American in order to get treaty rights that’s going to be difficult. I have first hand accounts of a Native American woman who was spit on and called half breed by her classmates and teachers while attending school in the 50s and 60s. She should not be considered Native American though cause a white man raped her mom? The tribes are autonomous nations and can decide, like most autonomous nations, who gets to become a member or citizen. As much as I don’t like Obama I don’t ever recall someone disparaging him because of his white ancestry yet people would disparage him because of his black skin color and ancestry. Not saying he isn’t half white just saying that to a lot of people that still means he is black.

I was going to try and not say any more but I have a big mouth so here it goes.

Yes Natives have treaty rights on hunting and fishing.  Here's my problem, What is a native and what is not?  We have to honor their rights and treaties but they get to determine who has these rights.  Stay with me here.  After a little research I found that to be a member of the Yakima tribe you have to be 25% native.  Muckelshoot tribe is 10%.  In the past, your % had to be higher.  They get to make these rules and they are fluid in that they can change the percentage as they choose.  So when a Muckelshoot with 10% native blood gets to hunt, what is the other 90% of him or her doing?  Poaching???

100% natives should be able to keep their treaty rights.  Anything less is a wicked evil American like the rest of us!  If this rule was followed the problem would be solved.

Like Obama, supposed to be are first black president.  Nonsense!  He was half white!  So I guess people in this country get to choose and pick what % nationality they get to be determining on what special interest or benefit it will get them.  Hogwash!  This is Racism at its finest.  But we are called racist by talking about it and or challenging the validity of it all.
   


Dvolmer  :tup: well said. Platensko what?? White slave owners “routinely” raped Indian slaves? I don’t think white people even owned Native American slaves in a routine or large amount. Although there were slaves in many territories like Carolinas native slaves were illegal by the 1600s. Many tribes in southwestern America did “routinely”own black slaves though. Obama was half white but was only identified as a black man does that seem right? Tiger woods is more Asian than black but everyone ( not Tiger mostly media) identified him only as black man. I do think that’s a weird twist on racism. How about if we all start identifying as Americans and quit obsessing on skin color? Can’t do that certain groups get too many benefits obsessing on our skin color and differences be a lot better if we just focused on our similarities mostly that were all just Americans. Most of our ancestry is a little bit of everything.

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Re: Now that it snowed they need to lock up Watt Canyon
« Reply #199 on: December 03, 2019, 08:14:50 PM »
Are we gonna start talking about corner crossing now?

ABOUT TO GO FULL CIRCLE ON ALL THE WOES OF LIVING IN WA. STATE. This checker board state gives it to every user group.
Well oh mah lets see a map of some unclaimed land in Washington.Just cause it's owned by the state,blm,national forest,ect doesn't make it unclaimed,back in the early days I'm sure it was but not now.

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Re: Now that it snowed they need to lock up Watt Canyon
« Reply #200 on: December 03, 2019, 08:22:22 PM »
Are we gonna start talking about corner crossing now?

ABOUT TO GO FULL CIRCLE ON ALL THE WOES OF LIVING IN WA. STATE. This checker board state gives it to every user group.
Well oh mah lets see a map of some unclaimed land in Washington.Just cause it's owned by the state,blm,national forest,ect doesn't make it unclaimed,back in the early days I'm sure it was but not now.
I am not gonna answer to this because you obviously have not read what ceded lands are,and what they are allowed to hunt per their treaty rights.
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Re: Now that it snowed they need to lock up Watt Canyon
« Reply #201 on: December 03, 2019, 08:23:47 PM »
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Re: Now that it snowed they need to lock up Watt Canyon
« Reply #202 on: December 03, 2019, 08:31:31 PM »
LT Murray land was owned by LT Murray and upon his death he donated it to the state of Washington for public use. It was private when he owned it and he gave it to the state. Joe Watt canyon is in LT Murray. So how can the natives claim this as unclaimed property?  All other states except Washington and a small part of Oregon don’t have this problem. Natives can make up the rules on their own reservations but the minute they step off of their reservations they follow the same rules as the rest of the US citizens. This is due to the liberal judges in our liberal state and how they have ruled over time and interpreted the treaties. If you read the treaties that were written in the 1800’s they are very open to interpretation. The natives will hunt in the most modern way possible but show up in court in feathers and loin clothes beating their drums and chanting. Liberal judges and liberal juries look at them and immediately claim that the poor natives should be left alone. It’s all sort of a big sham!  But I will say now, it will NEVER change. For the exact reason that other states will manage their wolves. The state of Washington will never let us manage our wolves. It is the liberal mentality that runs this state and it is that mentality that will determine our dealings with the natives. The elk could be on the endangered species list and natives will still be able to do anything they want too just like wolves could be eating children on the way to school and it will still be against the law to kill the furry cute little rascals.
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Re: Now that it snowed they need to lock up Watt Canyon
« Reply #203 on: December 03, 2019, 08:36:24 PM »
Close the gate :chuckle:

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Re: Now that it snowed they need to lock up Watt Canyon
« Reply #204 on: December 03, 2019, 08:36:40 PM »
Hit the nail on the head there

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Re: Now that it snowed they need to lock up Watt Canyon
« Reply #205 on: December 03, 2019, 08:39:15 PM »
Are we gonna start talking about corner crossing now?

ABOUT TO GO FULL CIRCLE ON ALL THE WOES OF LIVING IN WA. STATE. This checker board state gives it to every user group.

 Totally fine with corner crossing  just not natives over taking

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Re: Now that it snowed they need to lock up Watt Canyon
« Reply #206 on: December 03, 2019, 08:39:50 PM »
 :yeah:  We all know how it works...  Stack the courts with Liberal Judges who write their own laws and Screw every thing else.  Rocks eh?  Hmm.  Lol.  Is that considered littering yet? :chuckle:
MAGA!  Again..

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Re: Now that it snowed they need to lock up Watt Canyon
« Reply #207 on: December 03, 2019, 08:45:05 PM »
The “In Common With” language is what I believe could be argued.
In common with when? lol.

You keep intentionally missing the entire argument.You say in common with i say when.
when the treaty was agreed upon they were in common with.

anyone find those fishing and hunting regs from 1855  yet?

To point out another fact.

the time from then to now has changed for the tribes in a very negative way as far as hunting goes,they have lost a lot of rights and opportunity.


 What in the @@@@ has been lost and opportunities have been takin away .???? There's radios , gps, Google earth , onx , y'all have more access than anyone give me a break . Rifles that can shoot 1000 yards easily optics that you can spot a flea on  a e elk butt !!!! Not to mention I'm not getting casino checks and I'm paying for tags .

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Re: Now that it snowed they need to lock up Watt Canyon
« Reply #208 on: December 03, 2019, 08:49:23 PM »
keep reading past the spot you picked up that thread i explained it.

All i see is you guys picking up the unclaimed but not seeing or understanding the open part.  :bash: if its public and open to you and me its open to them.

WHERES MY CRAYONS?  :bash:


ITS LIKE MSM TALKING POINTS ON HERE WITH THIS.
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Re: Now that it snowed they need to lock up Watt Canyon
« Reply #209 on: December 03, 2019, 09:09:51 PM »
Let's see if i remember correctly when the treaties were written, and i may be wrong, but i don't think there were in elk in Washington.  I know for a fact there weren't any in the blues.  White man brought them in by train from Yellowstone. So maybe natives shouldn't be allowed to hunt them without buying a hunting license and tag.

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