Wolves, the end of big game hunting?

[bearpaw]

I would encourage all to take a look at www.biggameforever.org. Lots of information on the reintroduction of wolves,,, from a HUNTERS viewpoint! and many ideas to combat it.

(some background)

This group strongly supported the legislation that resulted in congress delisting wolves in the Rocky Mountains (ID, MT, WY, Eastern WA). Like all groups there are some people who don't like them for other reasons, but this group has been at the forefront of helping to get wolves delisted

That's actually false, they opposed the Simpson-Tester delisting and in the end all major reputable sportsman organizations denounced them and their antics in a very strong way.  Once the delisting was official and survived legal challenges bgf then swooped in and tried to take credit and act as if they helped/supported...a very corrupt organization.  A couple of links for folks interested in reading the truth about bgf:

https://billingsgazette.com/lifestyles/recreation/gazoutdoors/national-groups-distance-themselves-from-sportsmen-for-fish-and-wildlife/article_e8040da9-af35-54c3-8cc6-44cedc466bfd.html

https://www.hunttalk.com/threads/wolf-wing-nuts-lose-again.250214/#js-post-2224008

LOL, I figured it wouldn't take long for IDH to express his negative thoughts. The link he sends you to in Billings is likely a hit job article originating from BHA based in MT, who is one of the primary organizations exposed by the green decoys website. https://www.greendecoys.com/decoys/backcountry-hunters-and-anglers/
The other link is to a handful of guys making clams like IDH.

I remember signing petitions on this forum by Big game Forever to support wolf delisting and other worthwhile issues. I know for a fact that Big game Forever was actively promoting the delisting of wolves for many years, I've had phone calls with the leaders of BGF regarding wolf issues and meetings with legislators. How many times has BHA promoted petitions to garner support for wolf delisting? I am not telling anyone to send your money anywhere, or to end your membership with any other organization, but you might want to at least sign a petition supporting the Trump Administration in delisting wolves, that seems like a no-brainer to me? You can do that right now with BGF! It doesn't cost a cent to support delisting wolves in all 48 states!

past Big Game Forever actions:

2010: https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,54548.msg668466.html#msg668466  (Petition to US Congress)
2011: https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,82293.msg1022204.html#msg1022204 (Letter to Washington WDFW)
2013: https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,117069.msg1541784.html#msg1541784  (Letter to Montana FWP)
2015: https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,174755.msg2310785.html#msg2310785  (How the ESA is being abused)
2017: https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,208556.msg2776001.html#msg2776001   (Protecting States Rights to manage wildlife)

[idahohuntr]

I would encourage all to take a look at www.biggameforever.org. Lots of information on the reintroduction of wolves,,, from a HUNTERS viewpoint! and many ideas to combat it.

(some background)

This group strongly supported the legislation that resulted in congress delisting wolves in the Rocky Mountains (ID, MT, WY, Eastern WA). Like all groups there are some people who don't like them for other reasons, but this group has been at the forefront of helping to get wolves delisted

That's actually false, they opposed the Simpson-Tester delisting and in the end all major reputable sportsman organizations denounced them and their antics in a very strong way.  Once the delisting was official and survived legal challenges bgf then swooped in and tried to take credit and act as if they helped/supported...a very corrupt organization.  A couple of links for folks interested in reading the truth about bgf:

https://billingsgazette.com/lifestyles/recreation/gazoutdoors/national-groups-distance-themselves-from-sportsmen-for-fish-and-wildlife/article_e8040da9-af35-54c3-8cc6-44cedc466bfd.html

https://www.hunttalk.com/threads/wolf-wing-nuts-lose-again.250214/#js-post-2224008

LOL, I figured it wouldn't take long for IDH to express his negative thoughts. The link he sends you to in Billings is likely a hit job article originating from BHA based in MT, who is one of the primary organizations exposed by the green decoys website. https://www.greendecoys.com/decoys/backcountry-hunters-and-anglers/
The other link is to a handful of guys making clams like IDH.

I remember signing petitions on this forum by Big game Forever to support wolf delisting and other worthwhile issues. I know for a fact that Big game Forever was actively promoting the delisting of wolves for many years, I've had phone calls with the leaders of BGF regarding wolf issues and meetings with legislators. How many times has BHA promoted petitions to garner support for wolf delisting? I am not telling anyone to send your money anywhere, or to end your membership with any other organization, but you might want to at least sign a petition supporting the Trump Administration in delisting wolves, that seems like a no-brainer to me? You can do that right now with BGF! It doesn't cost a cent to support delisting wolves in all 48 states!

past Big Game Forever actions:

2010: https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,54548.msg668466.html#msg668466  (Petition to US Congress)
2011: https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,82293.msg1022204.html#msg1022204 (Letter to Washington WDFW)
2013: https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,117069.msg1541784.html#msg1541784  (Letter to Montana FWP)
2015: https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,174755.msg2310785.html#msg2310785  (How the ESA is being abused)
2017: https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,208556.msg2776001.html#msg2776001   (Protecting States Rights to manage wildlife)

So SCI and the NRA are green decoys too huh?  They strongly condemned BGF...unless you are alleging the whole article was made up.

[KFhunter]

Thanks Bearpaw 

[bearpaw]

I would encourage all to take a look at www.biggameforever.org. Lots of information on the reintroduction of wolves,,, from a HUNTERS viewpoint! and many ideas to combat it.

(some background)

This group strongly supported the legislation that resulted in congress delisting wolves in the Rocky Mountains (ID, MT, WY, Eastern WA). Like all groups there are some people who don't like them for other reasons, but this group has been at the forefront of helping to get wolves delisted

That's actually false, they opposed the Simpson-Tester delisting and in the end all major reputable sportsman organizations denounced them and their antics in a very strong way.  Once the delisting was official and survived legal challenges bgf then swooped in and tried to take credit and act as if they helped/supported...a very corrupt organization.  A couple of links for folks interested in reading the truth about bgf:

https://billingsgazette.com/lifestyles/recreation/gazoutdoors/national-groups-distance-themselves-from-sportsmen-for-fish-and-wildlife/article_e8040da9-af35-54c3-8cc6-44cedc466bfd.html

https://www.hunttalk.com/threads/wolf-wing-nuts-lose-again.250214/#js-post-2224008

LOL, I figured it wouldn't take long for IDH to express his negative thoughts. The link he sends you to in Billings is likely a hit job article originating from BHA based in MT, who is one of the primary organizations exposed by the green decoys website. https://www.greendecoys.com/decoys/backcountry-hunters-and-anglers/
The other link is to a handful of guys making clams like IDH.

I remember signing petitions on this forum by Big game Forever to support wolf delisting and other worthwhile issues. I know for a fact that Big game Forever was actively promoting the delisting of wolves for many years, I've had phone calls with the leaders of BGF regarding wolf issues and meetings with legislators. How many times has BHA promoted petitions to garner support for wolf delisting? I am not telling anyone to send your money anywhere, or to end your membership with any other organization, but you might want to at least sign a petition supporting the Trump Administration in delisting wolves, that seems like a no-brainer to me? You can do that right now with BGF! It doesn't cost a cent to support delisting wolves in all 48 states!

past Big Game Forever actions:

2010: https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,54548.msg668466.html#msg668466  (Petition to US Congress)
2011: https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,82293.msg1022204.html#msg1022204 (Letter to Washington WDFW)
2013: https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,117069.msg1541784.html#msg1541784  (Letter to Montana FWP)
2015: https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,174755.msg2310785.html#msg2310785  (How the ESA is being abused)
2017: https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,208556.msg2776001.html#msg2776001   (Protecting States Rights to manage wildlife)

So SCI and the NRA are green decoys too huh?  They strongly condemned BGF...unless you are alleging the whole article was made up.

If you view the green decoys website it doesn't mention NRA or SCI.
https://www.greendecoys.com/decoys/backcountry-hunters-and-anglers/

Honestly I can't address the dispute that Big Game forever said the wrong thing once a few years ago, I really don't know what happened, nor do i care at this point, if they did say the wrong thing hopefully they learned from that mistake!

My main concern in this topic is getting wolves delisted, and it appears BGF is doing a lot more than BHA in that regard? If you don't want to support the Trump Admin to delist wolves through the handy BGF software that is your option!

[no.cen.wa]

I didn't want to have members get in a pissing match, just want people to look at the BGF website for info on things that can be done, I haven't sent them any money but have signed the delist petition, didn't hurt a bit

[idahohuntr]

I didn't want to have members get in a pissing match, just want people to look at the BGF website for info on things that can be done, I haven't sent them any money but have signed the delist petition, didn't hurt a bit

No worries.  Bearpaw wants to drag this into a debate on BHA but I'm not going to entertain the distraction.  I simply wanted to point out where BGF failed on previous wolf de-listing efforts and so I would urge caution and encourage research before joining or sending them money if actual wolf de-listing is your goal.  That said,  I see no issue with using BGF's automated petition to send information to elected officials...its a convenient tool I suppose. 

[bearpaw]

I see no issue with using BGF's automated petition to send information to elected officials...its a convenient tool I suppose. 

Totally agree!