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Quote from: Gobble Doc on January 19, 2020, 08:32:11 PMQuote from: Gobble Doc on January 19, 2020, 08:31:24 PMIn 2000 there were 100s of thousands of chum on the skagit. It was so much fun. This year maybe < 10K. Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkSent from my iPhone using TapatalkWhat many people don't realize is how this run, this one fish, affects everything else in the river. The Chums were prolific in not just the Skagit, but all the PS basin rivers. When I was in high school (not that long ago) I could put the driftboat in at Ben Howard on the Sky at daylight, and take out and Tualco at dark. Arms beat and battered because it was an endless stream of chums on plugs all day. You could literally hook as many as you wanted to. The Skagit and Stilly were the same way. There were silvers like crazy, and steelhead returns were reasonable and somewhat stable. I could float the upper Skagit and catch 100 rainbows and Dolly Vardon behind spawning chums without even thinking about it. At about the same time, in the early 2000's a market for Chum roe opened up as Sushi became mainstream. Suddenly huge piles of rotting chum carcasses were being found up and down our rivers. Hens were stripped of eggs, and bucks were simply discarded. The prize? Roe to be sold to the Japanese and domestic sushi market. It literally took less than 10 years and natives along with non-native commercial seiners have all but wiped out these runs. Hell the Skagits had to open a CHUM HATCHERY! On a river that less than 10 years prior had 100's of thousands of these fish spawning in it naturally??? WTF? The truly sad part is the system wide repercussions. Those fish don't spawn in the river anymore, so the Dolly's and rainbows don't get the eggs and flesh from dead salmon. Their carcasses don't rot on the bottom and along the banks of the river anymore, so the bug life that sustains salmon fry, resident rainbows/Dolly's, and steelhead smolt is decreasing every year. The smolt outmigration in late spring early summer is dismal, and the predators that rely on them like mergansers, cormorants, seals, and other predatory fish are taking a much higher percentage of the run than before. By specifically targeting that one salmon to the brink of collapse in our local rivers, it's had a ripple effect throughout the whole river ecosystem, crashing all the other species that depended on in. Why do you think Pink runs have been so dismal the last few runs? Because about 8 years ago Chum runs weren't large enough to sustain the roe market so they moved on to the next biggest source, Pinks! Seen the sein boats outside Mukilteo and Everett scooping up 10's of thousands at a time? These fish are the backbone of our ecosystem and every other species in the river depends on them successfully spawning in mass. It's all connected guys. Couple terminal net fisheries with piss poor ocean conditions and we are being set up for catastrophe. WTF
Quote from: Gobble Doc on January 19, 2020, 08:31:24 PMIn 2000 there were 100s of thousands of chum on the skagit. It was so much fun. This year maybe < 10K. Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
In 2000 there were 100s of thousands of chum on the skagit. It was so much fun. This year maybe < 10K. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Quote from: 7mmfan on January 20, 2020, 08:12:18 AMQuote from: Gobble Doc on January 19, 2020, 08:32:11 PMQuote from: Gobble Doc on January 19, 2020, 08:31:24 PMIn 2000 there were 100s of thousands of chum on the skagit. It was so much fun. This year maybe < 10K. Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkSent from my iPhone using TapatalkWhat many people don't realize is how this run, this one fish, affects everything else in the river. The Chums were prolific in not just the Skagit, but all the PS basin rivers. When I was in high school (not that long ago) I could put the driftboat in at Ben Howard on the Sky at daylight, and take out and Tualco at dark. Arms beat and battered because it was an endless stream of chums on plugs all day. You could literally hook as many as you wanted to. The Skagit and Stilly were the same way. There were silvers like crazy, and steelhead returns were reasonable and somewhat stable. I could float the upper Skagit and catch 100 rainbows and Dolly Vardon behind spawning chums without even thinking about it. At about the same time, in the early 2000's a market for Chum roe opened up as Sushi became mainstream. Suddenly huge piles of rotting chum carcasses were being found up and down our rivers. Hens were stripped of eggs, and bucks were simply discarded. The prize? Roe to be sold to the Japanese and domestic sushi market. It literally took less than 10 years and natives along with non-native commercial seiners have all but wiped out these runs. Hell the Skagits had to open a CHUM HATCHERY! On a river that less than 10 years prior had 100's of thousands of these fish spawning in it naturally??? WTF? The truly sad part is the system wide repercussions. Those fish don't spawn in the river anymore, so the Dolly's and rainbows don't get the eggs and flesh from dead salmon. Their carcasses don't rot on the bottom and along the banks of the river anymore, so the bug life that sustains salmon fry, resident rainbows/Dolly's, and steelhead smolt is decreasing every year. The smolt outmigration in late spring early summer is dismal, and the predators that rely on them like mergansers, cormorants, seals, and other predatory fish are taking a much higher percentage of the run than before. By specifically targeting that one salmon to the brink of collapse in our local rivers, it's had a ripple effect throughout the whole river ecosystem, crashing all the other species that depended on in. Why do you think Pink runs have been so dismal the last few runs? Because about 8 years ago Chum runs weren't large enough to sustain the roe market so they moved on to the next biggest source, Pinks! Seen the sein boats outside Mukilteo and Everett scooping up 10's of thousands at a time? These fish are the backbone of our ecosystem and every other species in the river depends on them successfully spawning in mass. It's all connected guys. Couple terminal net fisheries with piss poor ocean conditions and we are being set up for catastrophe. WTFThis may very well be the best post I've seen that simplifies and answers the question.. These fish also contributed greatly to river bank forage with the increase nitrogen surplus that made cover and erosion control natural habitat as well. The sheer mass return numbers of Chum is what supported this. River fishing in this state is close to done.As stated above, I think what has happened to our fisheries far out weighs the problems of wild game. That is a sad statement
Uhhhhh I dont think to many pink salmon are the problem.
Quote from: 7mmfan on February 03, 2020, 05:53:27 PMUhhhhh I dont think to many pink salmon are the problem.There's a theory that the hatcheries from Alaska, Russia, South Korea and Japan are releasing close to 5 billion pinks a year. They all seem to converge in the same general feeding grounds as all the other Pacific Salmon and out compete for the food. The result is the other salmon are reduced in size and numbers, which lowers the productivity of rivers here. Steelhead and rainbow trout would be negatively affected by increasingly sterile rivers.