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Re: idaho non resident tag decrease, fee increase
« Reply #210 on: March 01, 2020, 09:07:44 AM »
That’s collateral damage. I know it ends up effecting a lot more than just the wolfs but that’s the price we’d have to pay to eliminate them. I know it’ll never happen though so it’s all just for discussion.
But you said you'd prefer it to Air gunning  :dunno:
You know Canada and Alaska have done fairly extensive helicopter gunning for Wolves with great success?  Air gunning is a viable option that ought to be on the table.  Would be super successful in some of the major wilderness areas in Central Idaho.
 

I think they did do air gunning in central Idaho already? I thought that was one of the ways they killed wolves at least in the lolo zone :dunno:Ranchers in southern Idaho still sneak poison out for coyotes and it looks like a nuclear bomb went off dead birds and critters in every direction for a few hundred yards

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Re: idaho non resident tag decrease, fee increase
« Reply #211 on: March 01, 2020, 09:49:59 AM »
Why I said I’d prefer poison is because poison is the only way we’ll ever eradicate them. Air gunning would be another management tool that could be used but wouldn’t eliminate them. There’s too many areas in Idaho that are far too thick for air gunning to work in.  I just don’t see them ever making it an option to the general public.
Another thing to consider is think about all the crying you hear when F&G does aerial surveys in the spring. Can you imagine what that’d look like if it was guys flying around shooting at wolfs?  They’d be disturbing the same deer and elk that people don’t want pushed around by the aerial surveys. I’m not sure what the right answer is but for now I’d say trapping is by far the most effective option available.

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Re: idaho non resident tag decrease, fee increase
« Reply #212 on: March 01, 2020, 04:11:38 PM »
Why I said I’d prefer poison is because poison is the only way we’ll ever eradicate them. Air gunning would be another management tool that could be used but wouldn’t eliminate them. There’s too many areas in Idaho that are far too thick for air gunning to work in.  I just don’t see them ever making it an option to the general public.
Another thing to consider is think about all the crying you hear when F&G does aerial surveys in the spring. Can you imagine what that’d look like if it was guys flying around shooting at wolfs?  They’d be disturbing the same deer and elk that people don’t want pushed around by the aerial surveys. I’m not sure what the right answer is but for now I’d say trapping is by far the most effective option available. 

I know why you said poison and I agree with you that’s only way to eradicate wolves. Just pointing out all the collateral damage. There’s a lot of hunters agree with you but I don’t think it’s worth it. Trapping is best option but is hard to do for most guys still working with families. I have a tiny line out now and even that is hard to keep up on.

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Re: idaho non resident tag decrease, fee increase
« Reply #213 on: March 01, 2020, 10:21:45 PM »
of the 300 licensed wolf trappers last year in ID they killed more wolves than all the hunting tags sold. Think it was 40,000 tags

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Re: idaho non resident tag decrease, fee increase
« Reply #214 on: March 02, 2020, 08:35:42 AM »
huntnnw...so, if I read your post right, the trappers killed more than 40,000 wolves?...that's more than the entire population of wolves in Alaska (by several thousand) and maybe even more than the entire world...ADFG estimates 7,000-11,000 wolves in all of Alaska.

Last I heard there is between 900 and 1,100 wolves in Idaho.


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Re: idaho non resident tag decrease, fee increase
« Reply #215 on: March 02, 2020, 08:40:58 AM »
I think he’s saying 300 licensed trappers killed more wolfs than 40,000 hunters with wolf tags in their pockets.

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Re: idaho non resident tag decrease, fee increase
« Reply #216 on: March 02, 2020, 08:44:39 AM »
I think he’s saying 300 licensed trappers killed more wolfs than 40,000 hunters with wolf tags in their pockets.

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Re: idaho non resident tag decrease, fee increase
« Reply #217 on: March 02, 2020, 10:39:16 AM »
Oh...that makes way more sense!...carry on.... :)

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Re: idaho non resident tag decrease, fee increase
« Reply #218 on: March 02, 2020, 10:44:51 AM »
It's still shows how resilient they are. They kill alot of wolves every year and the population still seems to be growing. One breeding pair is two to many for me.

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Re: idaho non resident tag decrease, fee increase
« Reply #219 on: March 02, 2020, 09:04:15 PM »
It's still shows how resilient they are. They kill alot of wolves every year and the population still seems to be growing. One breeding pair is two to many for me.


I think you have to kill 50 percent of population to even control the numbers. Even more to actually reduce the population. I don’t remember exactly the percentage but it’s depressing

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Re: idaho non resident tag decrease, fee increase
« Reply #220 on: March 02, 2020, 09:12:35 PM »
It's still shows how resilient they are. They kill alot of wolves every year and the population still seems to be growing. One breeding pair is two to many for me.


I think you have to kill 50 percent of population to even control the numbers. Even more to actually reduce the population. I don’t remember exactly the percentage but it’s depressing

While this is sadly true, every dead predator helps prolong the inevitable demise of OTC Western hunting.

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Re: idaho non resident tag decrease, fee increase
« Reply #221 on: March 02, 2020, 09:36:45 PM »
ID estimates on wolves this summer went to 1541 and that is a number that fluctuates with pup season and mortality. Said numbers can be as high as 1900 to a low of 1100. Funny fact I learned in the wolf trapping class is they had a bio/state trapper teaching the class. The guy had over 40 years trapping wolves from AK,russia,mongolia,ID,WY and MT . Has weighed several thousand wolves in this time frame and the largest wolf he has ever weighed was 136.2 lbs. The avg winter wolf weight in ID is 94 lbs.

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Re: idaho non resident tag decrease, fee increase
« Reply #222 on: March 03, 2020, 02:45:57 AM »
ID estimates on wolves this summer went to 1541 and that is a number that fluctuates with pup season and mortality. Said numbers can be as high as 1900 to a low of 1100. Funny fact I learned in the wolf trapping class is they had a bio/state trapper teaching the class. The guy had over 40 years trapping wolves from AK,russia,mongolia,ID,WY and MT . Has weighed several thousand wolves in this time frame and the largest wolf he has ever weighed was 136.2 lbs. The avg winter wolf weight in ID is 94 lbs.

Cracks me up when people say these wolves average 200lbs.

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Re: idaho non resident tag decrease, fee increase
« Reply #223 on: March 03, 2020, 03:58:43 AM »
 :chuckle:  ground swell the largest wolf hes ever known with official weight was 152 lbs.That wolf is life-sized in Bonner's ferry I believe.  Another myth he stated was these wolves DNA is no different than the wolves of hundreds of years ago that roamed the area. wolves in AK,NWT have home ranges of 500 mi and some lone wolves will travel further spreading their genetic make up all over the continent.

One interesting point he brought up was wolves had been here far prior to the re-introduction in 95. He said there had been wolves in the lolo for a fact in the 80's and probably earlier and up north in Bonners. I also know that wolves were up above northport in the late 80's as we saw 1 and heard them on a couple nights hunting.  What has baffled them is to see how the wolves spread so successfully in 95, yet the wolves that were here in places never took off and held in check. The only logical answer he had was people were taking care of them SSS rule, poison

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Re: idaho non resident tag decrease, fee increase
« Reply #224 on: March 03, 2020, 05:53:18 AM »
I wouldn't believe half of what any employee of any state department told me when it comes to any predators.   :twocents: 
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