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Quote from: CoryTDF on April 07, 2020, 09:55:39 AMSo, first off let me say If you feel like a crime has been committed and you want to report it, that is your right to do so and I wont judge on that. I am not condemning Fred for doing what he thought was right. Would I have done the same thing? Can't tell ya until I'm faced with that choice. The thing I think is funny/sickening is that hunters and fisherman are so quick to report a person for a game violation and then get on their soap box and preach to the masses about morality and ethics. Look at what this thread has turned into! So much judgment and assumptions about people that nobody on here knows a thing about. Was the boy wrong? In the eyes of the law yes he was. In the eyes of many others, forum members included, no he was not. I'm not taking a side here. Killing a game bird out of season or without a licenses is a misdemeanor crime. So too is speeding or blowing a stop sign. Do you call the police when you see this? A law is being broken and if we follow suit with how people have been acting on this thread then we must all be obligated to call it in. Right? Or do we only get fired up when its a game violation? That whole "The law is the law and he broke it!" argument is only for game violations? What happened to your moral/ethical code when that dude blew past you on the freeway? Ya'll see what I'm getting at here? The thread is a showcase of everything that is wrong with the internet and social media. So much awful judgment without any real facts. For all any of us know, these are great folks that just made a mistake. I hate what HW is turning into these days. It's like an a$$ load of 7th grade girls jumped into the bodies of grown men and got behind a keyboard. It's not only shameful it is embarrassing.Is poaching wrong? Yes. So lets not try and mix up my words here.Sorry but you are comparing apples to oranges when you use traffic violations to an individual using a firearm to illegally kill a game bird out of season without a license. Reporting the poacher was absolutely the correct thing to do and it appears it is actually going to get investigated. I am glad that many here see that as a proper thing to do(report poachers). People that make excuses for criminal behavior are part of the problem and not part of the solution. I remember when hunting turkeys in this state was almost impossible and the annual harvest was less than 100 birds. Since then it has exploded to become a pastime enjoyed by many including many of our youth. They are hunting legally and contributing financially to the sport of turkey hunting. Hopefully there are some fines involved and the adult that allowed the illegal use of that firearm gets a heavy fine and the firearm gets confiscated. Your comments are designed to make poachers into wonderful people. They are not and need to be prosecuted.
So, first off let me say If you feel like a crime has been committed and you want to report it, that is your right to do so and I wont judge on that. I am not condemning Fred for doing what he thought was right. Would I have done the same thing? Can't tell ya until I'm faced with that choice. The thing I think is funny/sickening is that hunters and fisherman are so quick to report a person for a game violation and then get on their soap box and preach to the masses about morality and ethics. Look at what this thread has turned into! So much judgment and assumptions about people that nobody on here knows a thing about. Was the boy wrong? In the eyes of the law yes he was. In the eyes of many others, forum members included, no he was not. I'm not taking a side here. Killing a game bird out of season or without a licenses is a misdemeanor crime. So too is speeding or blowing a stop sign. Do you call the police when you see this? A law is being broken and if we follow suit with how people have been acting on this thread then we must all be obligated to call it in. Right? Or do we only get fired up when its a game violation? That whole "The law is the law and he broke it!" argument is only for game violations? What happened to your moral/ethical code when that dude blew past you on the freeway? Ya'll see what I'm getting at here? The thread is a showcase of everything that is wrong with the internet and social media. So much awful judgment without any real facts. For all any of us know, these are great folks that just made a mistake. I hate what HW is turning into these days. It's like an a$$ load of 7th grade girls jumped into the bodies of grown men and got behind a keyboard. It's not only shameful it is embarrassing.Is poaching wrong? Yes. So lets not try and mix up my words here.
Quote from: CoryTDF on April 07, 2020, 10:20:01 AMDo you report every crime you witness? Only game violations? Think about it. The arguments is not whether or not the kid was wrong. The argument I have is the personal attacks and judgment that people are throwing around about people they do not know. They justify this by using their moral/ethical code of upholding game laws but I'm curios if they treat all people that break the law this way?You're dumb enough to post a crime to social media, then all the things that come with social media is sure to follow. This is just part of it. At least we as hunters aren't calling for his death, calling for him to be shot, hung and burned out of their house....that that's for legally gotten trophy animals. the left does thatso IMO - this is pretty mild and low key for a social media beat down.
Do you report every crime you witness? Only game violations? Think about it. The arguments is not whether or not the kid was wrong. The argument I have is the personal attacks and judgment that people are throwing around about people they do not know. They justify this by using their moral/ethical code of upholding game laws but I'm curios if they treat all people that break the law this way?
The op made a post about reporting obvious illegal hunting on a hunting website, seems like a pretty normal post to make. The kid is going to get a slap on the wrist and life will go on. He killed it to eat and turkeys are a dime a dozen, not exactly the crime of the century but worth reporting to hopefully (maybe) teach a lesson
Quote from: CoryTDF on April 07, 2020, 10:20:01 AMDo you report every crime you witness? Only game violations? Think about it. The arguments is not whether or not the kid was wrong. The argument I have is the personal attacks and judgment that people are throwing around about people they do not know. They justify this by using their moral/ethical code of upholding game laws but I'm curios if they treat all people that break the law this way?When you illegally kill a turkey out of season with a firearm and then are stupid enough to post pictures showing adults involved in the killing they deserve every negative comment that comes their way. You probably think all of the drug addicts that are crapping all over are cities are wonderful, too. Trying to make people feel bad for posting about and exposing illegal behavior is exactly the attitude that is destroying our country.
Yes. Some people make a report every time they see someone doing something wrong. Happens all the time. Speeding, being an (infraction) and done by most everyone ever that has driven a car is seen differently than killing an animal (Misd-gross Misd) out of season or without a license. Traffic laws are broken everyday by thousands of people. So its somewhat socially accepted-to a point. Poaching, hopefully is not an everyday occurrence by thousands of people so its generally not socially accepted. Also traffic infractions have to witnessed by LEO to be enforceable violations. Poaching does not.
Quote from: Buckhunter24 on April 07, 2020, 10:26:42 AMThe op made a post about reporting obvious illegal hunting on a hunting website, seems like a pretty normal post to make. The kid is going to get a slap on the wrist and life will go on. He killed it to eat and turkeys are a dime a dozen, not exactly the crime of the century but worth reporting to hopefully (maybe) teach a lesson I agree with ALL of this. It's the following posts and judgment that are uncalled for in my eyes.
I doubt they are poor.That cabin looks like its still somewhat under construction. And I know that campers and trailers drop in value faster than fresh fish, but that trailer looks reasonably nice as well. Mainly though, its the wording of the post. Please don’t criticize as this is his right of passage.First off, no one who views a hunt as a right of passage would phrase it like that. If she were a grizzled, 4th generation mountain lady whose ancestor deserted the confederate army and they've been hiding out in those mountains ever since, that kid wouldn't have to do his "right of passage" by himself, wandering into the woods to shoot a random whatever, and he would have likely done it a lot younger than 14. She would know that hunting seasons exist, and she would definitely know not to brag about it on facebook. And if they were "new poor," they would have relocated to the suburbs, not the woods.Who is she worried about being critical? Not other grizzled mountain folk. She posted it on "Off Grid Living For Beginners," which is a facebook group of tiny house eco-hippies. She's worried that the REI set would disapprove of the hunting in general, which is why she used such weird wording like "right of passage." My guess. They decided to bug out to their 90% finished cabin to ride out COVID, and now they are cosplaying mountain men. They are "running low on meat" because they don't yet understand how to buy groceries when their aren't 5 grocery stores within a 10 minute drive.
Quote from: CoryTDF on April 07, 2020, 10:34:33 AMQuote from: Buckhunter24 on April 07, 2020, 10:26:42 AMThe op made a post about reporting obvious illegal hunting on a hunting website, seems like a pretty normal post to make. The kid is going to get a slap on the wrist and life will go on. He killed it to eat and turkeys are a dime a dozen, not exactly the crime of the century but worth reporting to hopefully (maybe) teach a lesson I agree with ALL of this. It's the following posts and judgment that are uncalled for in my eyes.I appreciate the summary here, it helps clarify your position for me. I can't disagree with you on how quick social media is to pile on. Your original statement, however, was also focused on addressing the appropriateness of reporting this type of thing - not just the forum's reaction to machias' reporting of it. That's why I questioned you to see where you felt the line of appropriate reporting actually was.
Quote from: Buckhunter24 on April 07, 2020, 10:26:42 AMThe op made a post about reporting obvious illegal hunting on a hunting website, seems like a pretty normal post to make. The kid is going to get a slap on the wrist and life will go on. He killed it to eat and turkeys are a dime a dozen, not exactly the crime of the century but worth reporting to hopefully (maybe) teach a lesson First a turkey then it's an elk or a bear or a deer or etc. Doesn't matter if their a dime a dozen.
