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20-21 salmon seasons
« on: April 10, 2020, 11:06:13 PM »
Anyone else see the shellacking we just took?

I have to finish digesting it, but anyone that says the new director is turning the corner is welcome to explain how that could possibly be true. :dunno:  The projections are fairly close to last year, but the seasons are toast.  Maybe he can post some salmon recipes in his section of the new regulations book.

The former closures seem to be permanent now as everyone is only considering the NEW closures on top of what we saw last year including no blackmouth at all in 8-1, 8-2, 9 and 10 only from Jan-March.

Area 7 August chinook closure is now the norm.

I have to finish reading to see if anything will be open in 8-1, 8-2 or 9, the closures are wide and deep.  It would probably be easier to list the few things open than to read about everything closed.

I'm sure glad I didn't buy the entire family all of the licenses this year.
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Re: 20-21 salmon seasons
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2020, 06:24:12 AM »
Get used to it.

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Re: 20-21 salmon seasons
« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2020, 06:34:20 AM »
Most all blackmouth is going away. 6-9 anyway. So say good by to all the good derbies.

Area 9 gets it's usual short window season that may last a week.

Coho are apparently down this year so that's a driving force, especially on the ocean...but I remember a few years ago when coho where predicted down, they showed up in droves..so will see.

And this is all assuming big brother let's us fish anytime soon.

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Re: 20-21 salmon seasons
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2020, 07:04:22 AM »
Is it really up to the director? Or does NOAA and PfMC, Canadians, Native americans, etc pretty much just tell us what portion they are going to take and we get to make something out of whatever’s left? Listening to outdoor gps this morning sure makes it sound like Canadians are determining our Columbia River fisheries now.

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Re: 20-21 salmon seasons
« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2020, 07:21:40 AM »
What are the area 9 and 10 summer quotas?

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Re: 20-21 salmon seasons
« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2020, 07:30:02 AM »
What are the area 9 and 10 summer quotas?
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Not finalized yet but pretty much the same as last year.

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Re: 20-21 salmon seasons
« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2020, 07:38:31 AM »
So what your saying is they will cut the quotas in half at the last minute?

4 years in a row of this crap.
And the salmon runs the last 4 years have been about the same

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Re: 20-21 salmon seasons
« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2020, 07:40:27 AM »
heres what I got last night

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April 10, 2020
Contact: Kyle Adicks, 360-902-2664
Media inquiries: Ben Anderson, 360-480-4465

Washington's salmon seasons tentatively set for 2020-21

OLYMPIA – Continued low returns of some key Chinook salmon stocks are expected to limit numerous Washington salmon fisheries in the upcoming season, state fishery managers announced today.

The state's 2020-21 salmon fishing seasons, developed by the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) and treaty tribal co-managers, were tentatively set today during the Pacific Fishery Management Council's (PFMC) meeting, which was held via webinar due to concerns related to the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic.

"These seasons were determined with the goal of meeting conservation objectives while offering opportunities whenever possible, but we had some tough decisions to make this year," said WDFW Director Kelly Susewind. "We appreciate the hard work of co-managers and everyone else who sat through long teleconferences and webinars to determine these seasons."

"This was another difficult year with so many depressed stocks as a result of lost and damaged habitat," said Lorraine Loomis, Chair of the Northwest Indian Fisheries Commission. "I am especially encouraged by efforts this year to include habitat recovery in fisheries planning. Salmon continue to decline because their habitat is being lost faster than it can be restored and protected. Working together to change that trend is the most important thing we can do for salmon recovery."

Season recommendations now move forward for approval by the National Marine Fisheries Service and final rulemaking, including additional opportunity for public comment and consideration of those comments.

Puget Sound

Low returns of Stillaguamish and mid-Hood Canal Chinook, as well as Snohomish coho limited a number of Puget Sound fisheries in 2019, and created even greater constraints in 2020. That includes closing fishing for winter Chinook in East Juan De Fuca Strait (Marine Area 6), the San Juan Islands (Marine Area 7), Deception Pass and Port Gardner (areas 8-1 and 8-2), Admiralty Inlet (Marine Area 9), Tacoma-Vashon Island (Marine Area 11) and Hood Canal (Marine Area 12), with some exceptions for Chinook non-retention in Hood Canal in November and December. Summer seasons in Deception Pass and Port Gardner are also closed to protect coho.

Susewind said the department recognizes that many of these fisheries have seen continued declines in opportunity in recent years.

"This is never the outcome we hope for, but until these stocks rebound, this is an unfortunate reality," Susewind said. "We continue working alongside the public and tribal, state, and federal partners to address all the factors impacting these critical runs."

This summer, Chinook fisheries are expected to be largely similar to last year, with most Puget Sound marine areas opening for Chinook retention beginning in July or August. Summer Chinook fisheries are expected to begin July 1 in marine areas 5, 6, 7, and 11.

Columbia River

The summer salmon fishery will again be closed to summer Chinook retention (including jacks), though stronger forecasts allow for sockeye retention in 2020, a change from last year. That fishery will need to be closely monitored in-season if returns come in lower than expected, said Kyle Adicks, salmon fisheries policy lead for WDFW.

Fall Chinook fisheries will be open under various regulations. Waters from Buoy 10 upstream to the Puget Island will be open Aug. 16-27 for Chinook, and will remain open for coho afterwards. Most of the waters upstream will open Aug. 1, but Warrior Rock to Bonneville Dam will open Fri., Sat., and Sun. from Aug. 7 through Sept. 6.

Steelhead fisheries in the Columbia and Snake rivers this season will again be very limited and additional protective measures will be in place due to continued low returns of steelhead.

Washington's ocean waters

Initial ocean fisheries reflect a reduced coho quota due to significantly lower projected returns in 2020. All four of Washington's marine areas are scheduled to open June 20 for a Chinook-only fishery, then transition to a Chinook and coho fishery beginning June 29. Daily limits and days of the week open to salmon fishing vary between areas.

More information

COVID-19 remains a factor going into the upcoming summer and fall fishing seasons, with the potential to continue impacting fisheries as the year continues, said WDFW Director Susewind. Many of the conversations during this week's PFMC meeting included consideration of ongoing coronavirus impacts.

"The coronavirus remains the biggest unknown as we move ahead in the 2020 and 2021 fishing seasons," Susewind said. As with every aspect of life these days, we'll have to be flexible to respond to any public health concerns."

Additional information about this year's sport salmon fisheries and the North of Falcon process can be found on WDFW's website at https://wdfw.wa.gov/nof.

For information on tribal fisheries, contact the Northwest Indian Fisheries Commission (http://nwifc.org).

The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife is the primary state agency tasked with preserving, protecting, and perpetuating fish, wildlife, and ecosystems, while providing sustainable fishing, hunting, and other recreation opportunities.



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Re: 20-21 salmon seasons
« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2020, 07:44:51 AM »
What's sad is the driving force behind some of this, the mid hood canal run, gets a few hundred fish and is projected down..but the skok and hoodsport are projecting better than average return's... :dunno:

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Re: 20-21 salmon seasons
« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2020, 07:46:03 AM »
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Re: 20-21 salmon seasons
« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2020, 08:07:32 AM »
8-1 & 8-2 are closed all year except for the bubble?  Do I have that right?


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Re: 20-21 salmon seasons
« Reply #11 on: April 11, 2020, 08:09:58 AM »
Is it really up to the director? Or does NOAA and PfMC, Canadians, Native americans, etc pretty much just tell us what portion they are going to take and we get to make something out of whatever’s left? Listening to outdoor gps this morning sure makes it sound like Canadians are determining our Columbia River fisheries now.

If WDFW doesn't play a role in managing fish, then why do they exist?  It's pretty easy to lay the blame on others, but you can look one border north or south and you don't see the same story.

I'm honestly thinking about switching my vacations from the Columbia and San Juans and just go up to BC for 7-10 days and do all my salmon fishing there.  Back home, I can always grab a kid with a free license.

Pay more, get less.  No plan, don't fight the liberal interpretations on the ESA or make any tough choices to provide some hope for the future.

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Re: 20-21 salmon seasons
« Reply #12 on: April 11, 2020, 08:11:37 AM »
8-1 & 8-2 are closed all year except for the bubble?  Do I have that right?

That's the other thing, they leak some of the info, but don't even post it up to read in a timely manner.  From what was leaked, nothing is mentioned about any season other than the bubble, so we are left to wonder if they somehow forgot to mention it or there was nothing to mention.

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Re: 20-21 salmon seasons
« Reply #13 on: April 11, 2020, 08:59:19 AM »
Having received money for orca food production as well as coming out of the budget doing well created an option to stay funded without the need to increase license fees and sales thus no need to keep recreational users opportunities at this time just another way of accommodating the other 6 million non consumptive users they frequently refer to appeasing

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Re: 20-21 salmon seasons
« Reply #14 on: April 11, 2020, 09:02:48 AM »
9 had a pretty good chinook quota on Wed, but was down to 0 on Friday.  MA7 and 9 summer quota went to save a MA 10 winter season.  7 is closed in August and 9 is completely closed.  6, 7, 8, 9 were closed all winter.

On the coho frontier, Stilly projections shut it down.  The native runs are so low that even a fraction of a percent drives huge restrictions.  They are trimming thousands of hatchery quota to "save" single digit native fish.  It's all in the model, just like the model that showed pink numbers were down while many of us drove over 1/4 mile long school after school.

The best thing that could happen would be for a net or two to go in and finish off the Hood Canal and Stilly runs.  Pay the fine and move on.

This nonsense is even before the Orca taskforce gets really gets some power.

The entire Puget Sound plan needs to be thrown away and start over and develop some sort of realistic plan.  Every year we hear the same thing, they have no control over anything and just keep buying licenses and hope for a better year next year.

This is the time to get more input, Olympia is broke beyond belief and won't have a 27 million bone to throw to WDFW and hopefully they will come to the table to get support from the recreational side.

 


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