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Re: Switched to 209 primers....should I switch to pellets not also??
« Reply #15 on: April 19, 2020, 10:39:50 PM »
The possible time you might save by switching to pellets is negligible. I’ve even reloaded on my knees with the rifle at a severe angle and didn’t lose any powder. You should at least try BH209 powder as well. It’s so much cleaner than Pyrodex and I believe, produces better velocity.

In one article I read they did a test of various powders, BH was #2 velocity usually but most importantly it was the most consistent velocity of them all by a good margin, and so more accurite.  My only question remaining on BH powder is cleaning it in the field.  I'll be using BH209 soon but I'm having trouble sourcing it locally and the corona thing has kept me from going to Spokane, and I don't want to pay the hazmat to ship it. 

Since I'll be hunting Idaho muzzie,  and Washington both,  I got the CVA optima northwest then got a 209 conversion kit,  but I didn't realize the 209 conversion kit isn't the same as the BH209 breach plug. 

I also didn't realize Federal 209A primers are a bit too strong for 777 loose powder using a standard 209 breach plug,  and can shove the powder forward before it ignites.   

So I got Winchester 777 209 primers (reduced power) to use with 777 loose powder,  it's shooting very well but it is filthy. 

Still I can shoot about 3 times if I needed too in the field w/o cleaning but by #4 and beyond you gotta really get aggressive shoving down the bullet. 
Why did I test that?  meh, I like to know what I can do with it.   Accuracy drops off pretty quickly too. 


So for Washington I'll need to get the BH209 breach plug to shoot the Blackhorn loose powder, then I'll be using my federal 209a primers I got and I think that'll be a whiz bang combo and probably won't ever not use that in the future for WA and other states where it meets the requirements. 

For Idaho... I'll keep the musket cap breach plug that has holes in it to meet the 'open to elements' requirement for Idaho, and use hodgson 777 loose powder pushing a 295gr powerbelt and I think that'll be a great combo for Idaho.   

I haven't shot the musket cap setup yet, but think it'll work good,  I need to get it out and run it.

I also use a NW legal Optima that I converted to 209 and also have the correct BP for loose powder. Mine shoots awesome with 100gr BH209, Fed 209A, and a 290gr Barnes T-EZ. I weigh my charges at home and carry them in the BH charge tubes. I can also shoot over a dozen shots without swabbing, probably more, I just haven’t tried. But I never do a full cleaning during a session, just an occasional spit patch followed by a couple clean patches. Oh, and check out the new Williams globe sights for the Optima. I just ordered a set. Should be a game changer for me.

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Re: Switched to 209 primers....should I switch to pellets not also??
« Reply #16 on: May 02, 2020, 07:22:21 AM »
i use the pyrodex pellets with 209 and 250 barnes ez . you can shoot it ten times , maybe more thats where i stopped . when i went from 100 grains to 150 i didnt get a full burn.

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Re: Switched to 209 primers....should I switch to pellets not also??
« Reply #17 on: May 02, 2020, 09:00:08 AM »
I use something similar to this guy to hold my primers and pre-measured powder... haven't had any problems.... yet. Mine has 4 tubes, and this only has 3.

https://www.sportsmans.com/shooting-gear-gun-supplies/muzzleloader-black-powder-guns-equipment-supplies/black-powder-accessories/tc-u-view-flex-loader/p/1105907

Got this in the HuntWA gift exchange. Pretty excited to through it in the arsenal as well.

https://www.sportsmans.com/shooting-gear-gun-supplies/muzzleloader-black-powder-guns-equipment-supplies/black-powder-accessories/traditions-5-in-1-loader/p/303506
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Re: Switched to 209 primers....should I switch to pellets not also??
« Reply #18 on: May 02, 2020, 09:49:53 AM »
I bought som bh209 powder to try at some of the recommendations of HW members.... :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike:  $40 per 10oz container.     It better work well.  Holy moly it would be cheaper to shoot gold dust out the barrel.   :chuckle: :chuckle:

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Re: Switched to 209 primers....should I switch to pellets not also??
« Reply #19 on: May 03, 2020, 10:57:34 PM »
I bought som bh209 powder to try at some of the recommendations of HW members.... :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike:  $40 per 10oz container.     It better work well.  Holy moly it would be cheaper to shoot gold dust out the barrel.   :chuckle: :chuckle:

If you run 100gr by volume, which is equal to 70gr weighed,  that should give you about 62 charges. It’s not cheap but worth it IMO.

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Re: Switched to 209 primers....should I switch to pellets not also??
« Reply #20 on: May 04, 2020, 05:41:00 AM »
You should switch back to the other primers
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Re: Switched to 209 primers....should I switch to pellets not also??
« Reply #21 on: May 04, 2020, 07:48:46 AM »
I bought som bh209 powder to try at some of the recommendations of HW members.... :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike:  $40 per 10oz container.     It better work well.  Holy moly it would be cheaper to shoot gold dust out the barrel.   :chuckle: :chuckle:
I think it's worth it. Especially when I'm cleaning my muzzleloader.

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