Kapowsin and Eatinville open but NOT White River???

[Rainier10]

Nope, stud shows up just fine.  I think it was *censored* , *censored* or maybe *censored* but we are way off track.

What is the point of this thread again?

LOL

The fact that the Mucks are hiding behind Covid to keep us off their land....

Gotcha.  It is at least keeping the door open to open it back off.  Would you rather they say we bought it years ago and have let you use it this whole time and now we are closing it for good?

That would at least be an honest answer and akin to pulling the band aid off with one pull. 

The fact that their casino is open and their fireworks stand market is open.... makes the closing of their tree farm seem a bit curious.. no??

Maybe a bit but at the same time there is no need to have it open now, fire danger is high and they have a ton invested in that property.  Risk versus reward.  If it were mine there is no way that I would have acres of valuable timber open to the public July and August.

[Woodchuck]

Do you mean to tell me that land owners can decide when at what others do on their property as the land owner see's fit? Weird.

[Rookie24]

Nope, stud shows up just fine.  I think it was *censored* , *censored* or maybe *censored* but we are way off track.

What is the point of this thread again?

LOL

The fact that the Mucks are hiding behind Covid to keep us off their land....

Gotcha.  It is at least keeping the door open to open it back off.  Would you rather they say we bought it years ago and have let you use it this whole time and now we are closing it for good?

That would at least be an honest answer and akin to pulling the band aid off with one pull. 

The fact that their casino is open and their fireworks stand market is open.... makes the closing of their tree farm seem a bit curious.. no??

Maybe a bit but at the same time there is no need to have it open now, fire danger is high and they have a ton invested in that property.  Risk versus reward.  If it were mine there is no way that I would have acres of valuable timber open to the public July and August.

Fire danger is high??  No... its not. Not even elevated.

They have shut it down many times for fire danger and for good reason, no doubt,  but this closure has no rational reason.

[Rookie24]

Do you mean to tell me that land owners can decide when at what others do on their property as the land owner see's fit? Weird.

Dont sell the pass to access your land then...

Pipe down... east siders need not apply here.

[Woodchuck]

Do you mean to tell me that land owners can decide when at what others do on their property as the land owner see's fit? Weird.

Dont sell the pass to access your land then...

Pipe down... east siders need not apply here.

So, I want to make sure I have this right. On the west side of this state, if you pay a trespass fee, you are allowed total access to that land 24/7 no questions asked?
You're right, that's not how it works over here. Apparently not over there either.

[Rookie24]

Do you mean to tell me that land owners can decide when at what others do on their property as the land owner see's fit? Weird.

Dont sell the pass to access your land then...

Pipe down... east siders need not apply here.

So, I want to make sure I have this right. On the west side of this state, if you pay a trespass fee, you are allowed total access to that land 24/7 no questions asked?
You're right, that's not how it works over here. Apparently not over there either.

Its not a trespass fee...

And... can you go ahead and fill me in on why they have closed their land?? When all the other Hancock managed lands are open... thanks in advance. 

[yorketransport]

Nope, stud shows up just fine.  I think it was *censored* , *censored* or maybe *censored* but we are way off track.

What is the point of this thread again?

LOL

The fact that the Mucks are hiding behind Covid to keep us off their land....

Gotcha.  It is at least keeping the door open to open it back off.  Would you rather they say we bought it years ago and have let you use it this whole time and now we are closing it for good?

That would at least be an honest answer and akin to pulling the band aid off with one pull. 

The fact that their casino is open and their fireworks stand market is open.... makes the closing of their tree farm seem a bit curious.. no??

The casino and fireworks stands are businesses, the land is an investment. There’s nothing curious about wanting their businesses to be open and generating revenue while their investment sits and grows.

You seem to have an issue with the Muckleshoot tribe more than the access to the tree farm. Care to elaborate on that?

[Woodchuck]

Cuz it's theirs and they want to and can whenever they see fit?
A trespass fee is when you pay to access someone else's land, as long as you stay within the rules of the owner. They made a rule that nobody is allowed on their land at this time. They can do that. 

[Rainier10]

Nope, stud shows up just fine.  I think it was *censored* , *censored* or maybe *censored* but we are way off track.

What is the point of this thread again?

LOL

The fact that the Mucks are hiding behind Covid to keep us off their land....

Gotcha.  It is at least keeping the door open to open it back off.  Would you rather they say we bought it years ago and have let you use it this whole time and now we are closing it for good?

That would at least be an honest answer and akin to pulling the band aid off with one pull. 

The fact that their casino is open and their fireworks stand market is open.... makes the closing of their tree farm seem a bit curious.. no??

Maybe a bit but at the same time there is no need to have it open now, fire danger is high and they have a ton invested in that property.  Risk versus reward.  If it were mine there is no way that I would have acres of valuable timber open to the public July and August.

Fire danger is high??  No... its not. Not even elevated.

They have shut it down many times for fire danger and for good reason, no doubt,  but this closure has no rational reason.

Moderator hat off, personal opinion of a large landowner to follow.

How much land do you own? Better yet how much money do you have wrapped up in that land? Pretty easy to say there is no risk when you have no skin in the game other than a couple hundred bucks in a pass.

I think I pay $35,000 in property tax a year every year just to own my own piece of heaven.

I have 2,000 acres that has been threatened by multiple forest fires. One of them started in June, “green grass everywhere” is why the kids were shooting off fireworks next to my place. “We had no idea we could start a forest fire in green brush.” Lightning strike in late July started one that burned hundreds of acres that I own and tens of thousands of national forest next to me.

Man up, drop some coin, buy a big piece of land and then let us know how comfortable you are allowing access in July.

Don’t keyboard jockey and say there is no risk. They have risk. You have invested in a pass which they are willing to refund your money on. Not to mention the fact they haven’t said the woods are going to be closed all year. They are just closed now.

[Rookie24]

Nope, stud shows up just fine.  I think it was *censored* , *censored* or maybe *censored* but we are way off track.

What is the point of this thread again?

LOL

The fact that the Mucks are hiding behind Covid to keep us off their land....

Gotcha.  It is at least keeping the door open to open it back off.  Would you rather they say we bought it years ago and have let you use it this whole time and now we are closing it for good?

That would at least be an honest answer and akin to pulling the band aid off with one pull. 

The fact that their casino is open and their fireworks stand market is open.... makes the closing of their tree farm seem a bit curious.. no??

The casino and fireworks stands are businesses, the land is an investment. There’s nothing curious about wanting their businesses to be open and generating revenue while their investment sits and grows.

You seem to have an issue with the Muckleshoot tribe more than the access to the tree farm. Care to elaborate on that?

Have no issue with them as, since they bought the land, the hunting has been light years better. Nice try on the straw man though... sure sign you are on empty.

Charging a fee for a permit isnt a business?? Hows that?? 

They charge a fee for the key to the gate just like they charge for fireworks or a steak dinner at the casino.

[Rookie24]

Cuz it's theirs and they want to and can whenever they see fit?
A trespass fee is when you pay to access someone else's land, as long as you stay within the rules of the owner. They made a rule that nobody is allowed on their land at this time. They can do that. 

Oh they “can”?? Wow... didnt know that. Crazy intel... SMH

Wonder why they sold permits then??

[Rookie24]

Nope, stud shows up just fine.  I think it was *censored* , *censored* or maybe *censored* but we are way off track.

What is the point of this thread again?

LOL

The fact that the Mucks are hiding behind Covid to keep us off their land....

Gotcha.  It is at least keeping the door open to open it back off.  Would you rather they say we bought it years ago and have let you use it this whole time and now we are closing it for good?

That would at least be an honest answer and akin to pulling the band aid off with one pull. 

The fact that their casino is open and their fireworks stand market is open.... makes the closing of their tree farm seem a bit curious.. no??

Maybe a bit but at the same time there is no need to have it open now, fire danger is high and they have a ton invested in that property.  Risk versus reward.  If it were mine there is no way that I would have acres of valuable timber open to the public July and August.

Fire danger is high??  No... its not. Not even elevated.

They have shut it down many times for fire danger and for good reason, no doubt,  but this closure has no rational reason.

Moderator hat off, personal opinion of a large landowner to follow.

How much land do you own? Better yet how much money do you have wrapped up in that land? Pretty easy to say there is no risk when you have no skin in the game other than a couple hundred bucks in a pass.

I think I pay $35,000 in property tax a year every year just to own my own piece of heaven.

I have 2,000 acres that has been threatened by multiple forest fires. One of them started in June, “green grass everywhere” is why the kids were shooting off fireworks next to my place. “We had no idea we could start a forest fire in green brush.” Lightning strike in late July started one that burned hundreds of acres that I own and tens of thousands of national forest next to me.

Man up, drop some coin, buy a big piece of land and then let us know how comfortable you are allowing access in July.

Don’t keyboard jockey and say there is no risk. They have risk. You have invested in a pass which they are willing to refund your money on. Not to mention the fact they haven’t said the woods are going to be closed all year. They are just closed now.

There is no fire danger in western WA right now.... FACT

They have specifically said it was due to Corona... which is complete BS

I have never had an issue when they shut it down for fire danger... which happens every year for the most part.

DONT OFFER THE PERMIT THEN!!

Did you really say “man up”?? And then talk about the land you own?? Yikes... 

[Rainier10]

Well your attitude is similar to a kid that was told he couldn’t do what he wants. So yes, grow up. People with more money than you bought the land let you have access to it for years and have it shut down right now.

So the fact that they sold you a permit is your big issue? You didn’t buy a permit with the woods closed did you? Did you buy this in June thinking they would open the woods for you to frolic in July 1st?

[Rainier10]

No fire danger? So I guess you are going to say there were no brush fires in the last two weeks anywhere in western Washington? Wait a minute, maybe those fires aren’t real fires. Is that it? Are you a fireman too? You seem to be an expert a on access passes, property rights and fire danger. I’m not sure why you started this thread. You seem to have it all figured out.

[Rookie24]

Well your attitude is similar to a kid that was told he couldn’t do what he wants. So yes, grow up. People with more money than you bought the land let you have access to it for years and have it shut down right now.

So the fact that they sold you a permit is your big issue? You didn’t buy a permit with the woods closed did you? Did you buy this in June thinking they would open the woods for you to frolic in July 1st?

They sold me a permit before anyone even heard of Corona... just like every year before. If Corona wasnt a thing they wouldnt have a reason to shut it down.

I like how you...

1) Seem to think you have ANY clue about me and pretend to be some big swinging dick land owner....

2) Wont speak to the no fire danger fact you tried to bring up..

3) Ignore their stated reason for the closure...

Almost seems like you just want to align yourself with the Mucks like you both are in some exclusive land baron club....