Question on access for native americans

[h20hunter]

Truth is not and photo proof is something else entirely.

[Practical Approach]

elbe hills 6 tribes have keys to what otherwise is a walk in area for everyone else. wdfw couldn't manage a garage sale but it sure doesn't help when the tribe will not share harvest data to be a true co manager. Being that i'm in the woods year round I have seen the fall out on both sides, I have also met some awesome tribal members who had their crap together and really cared about the resource, Bottom line its going to take everyone to get on board because whats happening now isn't working for anyone.

   Nooksack Natives have strict native hunter quotas but the "Ceremonial Harvest" is higher and those numbers aren't readily available that I've heard of.  Two weeks ago the Natives harvested 30 head out of one herd up in a Nooksack logging cut as the loggers watched.  "Ceremonial Harvest"  - which is all fine but messes up trying to manage by the numbers.    Maybe they do count them, if so wonder what the number is?   Whatever it is the Cougars/Bear are getting way more.

I have been hearing that story since the late 1990's.  The story always has loggers watching, native hunters, slaughter, and either a large number of elk or the whole herd.  Sometimes they don't even take the meat in some of the scenarios. Ceremonial and Subsistence harvest is reported annually.  Harvest is tracked it can be found on the NWIFC website and in the WDFW annual reports.  I

[Whitefoot]

Thought this thread was about road access?   

[meatwhack]

It is about road access and whether or not one user group has a separate set of rules to follow when it comes to public access on roads.

[Rainier10]

It is about road access and whether or not one user group has a separate set of rules to follow when it comes to public access on roads.

  It doesn't take much to derail these threads.

[Buzzsaw461]

And Guys using rifles in an archery area. Doesn’t take much for this to splinter off.

Thought this thread was about road access?   

[Blacktail Sniper]

elbe hills 6 tribes have keys to what otherwise is a walk in area for everyone else. wdfw couldn't manage a garage sale but it sure doesn't help when the tribe will not share harvest data to be a true co manager. Being that i'm in the woods year round I have seen the fall out on both sides, I have also met some awesome tribal members who had their crap together and really cared about the resource, Bottom line its going to take everyone to get on board because whats happening now isn't working for anyone.

   Nooksack Natives have strict native hunter quotas but the "Ceremonial Harvest" is higher and those numbers aren't readily available that I've heard of.  Two weeks ago the Natives harvested 30 head out of one herd up in a Nooksack logging cut as the loggers watched.  "Ceremonial Harvest"  - which is all fine but messes up trying to manage by the numbers.    Maybe they do count them, if so wonder what the number is?   Whatever it is the Cougars/Bear are getting way more.

I have been hearing that story since the late 1990's.  The story always has loggers watching, native hunters, slaughter, and either a large number of elk or the whole herd.  Sometimes they don't even take the meat in some of the scenarios. Ceremonial and Subsistence harvest is reported annually.  Harvest is tracked it can be found on the NWIFC website and in the WDFW annual reports.  I

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Practical Approach, thanks for the info in the bold, is that for all the tribes?

[Practical Approach]

elbe hills 6 tribes have keys to what otherwise is a walk in area for everyone else. wdfw couldn't manage a garage sale but it sure doesn't help when the tribe will not share harvest data to be a true co manager. Being that i'm in the woods year round I have seen the fall out on both sides, I have also met some awesome tribal members who had their crap together and really cared about the resource, Bottom line its going to take everyone to get on board because whats happening now isn't working for anyone.

   Nooksack Natives have strict native hunter quotas but the "Ceremonial Harvest" is higher and those numbers aren't readily available that I've heard of.  Two weeks ago the Natives harvested 30 head out of one herd up in a Nooksack logging cut as the loggers watched.  "Ceremonial Harvest"  - which is all fine but messes up trying to manage by the numbers.    Maybe they do count them, if so wonder what the number is?   Whatever it is the Cougars/Bear are getting way more.

I have been hearing that story since the late 1990's.  The story always has loggers watching, native hunters, slaughter, and either a large number of elk or the whole herd.  Sometimes they don't even take the meat in some of the scenarios. Ceremonial and Subsistence harvest is reported annually.  Harvest is tracked it can be found on the NWIFC website and in the WDFW annual reports.  I

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Practical Approach, thanks for the info in the bold, is that for all the tribes?

Good Question.  The NWIFC report is only for westside treaty tribes. 

[Rainier10]

And there at least 20 tribes that participate in reporting IIRC

[Magnum_Willys]

I have been hearing that story since the late 1990's.  The story always has loggers watching, native hunters, slaughter, and either a large number of elk or the whole herd.  Sometimes they don't even take the meat in some of the scenarios. Ceremonial and Subsistence harvest is reported annually.  Harvest is tracked it can be found on the NWIFC website and in the WDFW annual reports.  I

Yes, these ceremonial harvests aren’t new, been going on forever, certainly before the late 90’s.   Anyone look up the numbers?

[Practical Approach]

I have been hearing that story since the late 1990's.  The story always has loggers watching, native hunters, slaughter, and either a large number of elk or the whole herd.  Sometimes they don't even take the meat in some of the scenarios. Ceremonial and Subsistence harvest is reported annually.  Harvest is tracked it can be found on the NWIFC website and in the WDFW annual reports.  I

Yes, these ceremonial harvests aren’t new, been going on forever, certainly before the late 90’s.   Anyone look up the numbers?

You will not be able to look up 2021 harvest until 2022.  There are still hunting seasons that are open for both state and tribal hunters.  It takes a few months to collect the data and compile the report.

[Bullkllr]

I have been hearing that story since the late 1990's.  The story always has loggers watching, native hunters, slaughter, and either a large number of elk or the whole herd.  Sometimes they don't even take the meat in some of the scenarios. Ceremonial and Subsistence harvest is reported annually.  Harvest is tracked it can be found on the NWIFC website and in the WDFW annual reports.  I

Yes, these ceremonial harvests aren’t new, been going on forever, certainly before the late 90’s.   Anyone look up the numbers?

I don't think the reports are on the WDFW website anymore (iirc they used to be); at least I could not find them.
Here is a link to the NWIFC reports from 2020 back to 1997:https://nwifc.org/publications/big-game-harvest-reports/

[meatwhack]

That’s interesting to see what units most of the bucks and bulls are shot in.

[BA Mongor]

Interesting to see how many Tribal Bulls are taken out of Packwood.

[Duckslayer89]

For some reason I just don’t trust those numbers