Question on access for native americans

[hunter399]

I thought this thread was about road access?   

Should just hand the wildlife management over to the tribes. 🍿

If you can't beat ,then join them I suppose.
Even here in the northeast it's about the same 4 or 5 deer a year,Sept 1 -jan 1 Hunting season,they have the reservation + what they call the north half ,which is gmu 101 ,they mainly shoot mule deer antlerless,spikes you name it. When they pull up on a small herd of mule deer,and let's say there are two of them ,they can shoot the entire 10 deer herd.
And some do.
Then the next year they wonder where all the deer went.
It's freaking funny as all get out.

Give us your thoughts on road access like the OP had questioned if you’d like to try to keep it in the original topic.

The state has a road system and laws setup on ceded land.   Tribes are sovereign meaning that they're a country with in a country. State trying to regulate or enforce our laws normally has to be turned over to the tribe.   Tribes have different laws to these roads and seasons.  The green dot an unauthorized roads are state laws.  Same goes with units and all the other seasons.  We don't follow the same laws the state has set.   Ceded land follows almost the same format as the reservation.

I Agree.
The "story" with the north half is it was the reservation ,that the feds took back at a later date ,and the tribe retained hunting rights as ceded lands ,or something like that.
You can Google it ,but I think that's the short story anyway.

Correct!  Tract C, and D were miss managed and latter turned back into the closed area of the reservation.   Ceded is the part that was originally reservation but stevens took it away and made it ceded but same rights as the reservation right before the signing of the treaty.

Thanks ,I try to stay up on history of the tribes and such.
It's crazy the things that happen in the past.
Even with ceded rights,I try to respect it .

[Whitefoot]

Thanks for the info. I had no idea that ceded lands carried other regulations other than just hunting. Does this have any effect on road travel and traffic type violations or not?

On ceded land still can get speeding tickets and other violations.  Buying cars and homes normally aren't taxable.  Anytime a state police pull over an enrolled member with fish or wildlife normally will call state fish and wildlife and if no suspended license or warrants is let go. 

[Buzzsaw461]

Nobody said Tribes should stop Hunting, As far as as the lawsuit being filed by a group of racists doesn’t fly either, These groups will do anything and everything to stop the killing of Whales no matter who is doing it or wants to do it.

Should just hand the wildlife management over to the tribes. 🍿

If you can't beat ,then join them I suppose.
Even here in the northeast it's about the same 4 or 5 deer a year,Sept 1 -jan 1 Hunting season,they have the reservation + what they call the north half ,which is gmu 101 ,they mainly shoot mule deer antlerless,spikes you name it. When they pull up on a small herd of mule deer,and let's say there are two of them ,they can shoot the entire 10 deer herd.
And some do.
Then the next year they wonder where all the deer went.
It's freaking funny as all get out.

I figure at least then there might be predator management, probably be the same amount of tribal harvest as there is already. We will still have the same small dismal little seasons we get to go, with a handful of special permit tags.

But like you said can’t beat them join them. Then when we open up a wolf season the Seattle folks won’t/can’t scream about it because the almighty tribes authorized it.

You would think so but look at the Makahs. Can’t hunt whales cause of the environmental groups suing them over and over. Even tho the whales are over populated right now and the tribe wants to take 2 whales over 5 years. They waited while the numbers are down and now can’t hunt them cause they exercise their treaty rights during that time. Keep that in mind when you say the tribes should stop hunting or fishing. The lawsuit by sea shepherd and other groups is full of racist tropes, many of which are repeated here, and BS “science”. Kinda like the spring bear hunt issue. Can’t imagine having ancestors sign a treaty giving up about half the land on the OP to have the right to hunt and fish, only to have those rights taken away by environmental groups who despise you.

[Buzzsaw461]

Part of his comment was about guys driving in with guns while he was archery hunting yet you only seem to want to bring up the part of people driving on a closed road. No law states it, that was just part of his frustration.

And for some reason they forget about the part with the Guys using rifles in an Archery area.

2nd time you have said it and the reply is the same. Threads evolve, change, go different routes. I don't see the issue.

Forgot?  I don't think anyone forgot.   What law states there's bow, muzzle, and modern?

[Meathunter06]

Part of his comment was about guys driving in with guns while he was archery hunting yet you only seem to want to bring up the part of people driving on a closed road. No law states it, that was just part of his frustration.

And for some reason they forget about the part with the Guys using rifles in an Archery area.

2nd time you have said it and the reply is the same. Threads evolve, change, go different routes. I don't see the issue.

Forgot?  I don't think anyone forgot.   What law states there's bow, muzzle, and modern?

And also hunting on the Clockum reserve

[Platensek-po]

Nobody said Tribes should stop Hunting, As far as as the lawsuit being filed by a group of racists doesn’t fly either, These groups will do anything and everything to stop the killing of Whales no matter who is doing it or wants to do it.

Should just hand the wildlife management over to the tribes. 🍿

If you can't beat ,then join them I suppose.
Even here in the northeast it's about the same 4 or 5 deer a year,Sept 1 -jan 1 Hunting season,they have the reservation + what they call the north half ,which is gmu 101 ,they mainly shoot mule deer antlerless,spikes you name it. When they pull up on a small herd of mule deer,and let's say there are two of them ,they can shoot the entire 10 deer herd.
And some do.
Then the next year they wonder where all the deer went.
It's freaking funny as all get out.

I figure at least then there might be predator management, probably be the same amount of tribal harvest as there is already. We will still have the same small dismal little seasons we get to go, with a handful of special permit tags.

But like you said can’t beat them join them. Then when we open up a wolf season the Seattle folks won’t/can’t scream about it because the almighty tribes authorized it.

You would think so but look at the Makahs. Can’t hunt whales cause of the environmental groups suing them over and over. Even tho the whales are over populated right now and the tribe wants to take 2 whales over 5 years. They waited while the numbers are down and now can’t hunt them cause they exercise their treaty rights during that time. Keep that in mind when you say the tribes should stop hunting or fishing. The lawsuit by sea shepherd and other groups is full of racist tropes, many of which are repeated here, and BS “science”. Kinda like the spring bear hunt issue. Can’t imagine having ancestors sign a treaty giving up about half the land on the OP to have the right to hunt and fish, only to have those rights taken away by environmental groups who despise you.

Lolololol you obviously haven’t seen the comments from the head of sea shepherd then. Saying that they are bloodthirsty savages and etc. Attacking treaty rights. Plenty on here who say it shouldn’t be a “right” anymore and want to reneg treaties and rights in them. If you want to stand with captain Paul Watson the by all means go ahead. Interesting how much money and effort they are spending to stop the makahs from harvesting 2 whales over 5 yrs but are silent about European countries harvesting whales every year.

[h20hunter]

I'm going on record...i support the Makah taking two whales in 5 years. Hand powered vessel. Traditional gear, safety boats under power nearby, harpoon, float and line.  Old school, traditional man vs beast.

[CP]

I'm going on record...i support the Makah taking two whales in 5 years. Hand powered vessel. Traditional gear, safety boats under power nearby, harpoon, float and line.  Old school, traditional man vs beast.

If they need a non-tribal harpoon man, sign me up!  I'll work for a hunk of Muktuk.

[Stein]

I'm going on record...i support the Makah taking two whales in 5 years. Hand powered vessel. Traditional gear, safety boats under power nearby, harpoon, float and line.  Old school, traditional man vs beast.

I remember seeing them on the news years back, doing just that.  It was cool to watch them out there paddling after a whale.

I support them killing as many seals as they want with any means at their disposal.  I'll supply a boat and fuel.

[Duckslayer89]

I'm going on record...i support the Makah taking two whales in 5 years. Hand powered vessel. Traditional gear, safety boats under power nearby, harpoon, float and line.  Old school, traditional man vs beast.

I would like to get in on that. Fishing up in Alaska long lining I could have jumped on the backs of so many whales. Always wanted to try to take one down. I asked a native guy to take me seal hunting in Yakutat. He told me “you’re to white” I’ll get in trouble... 😂 we all laughed. They had 7 otters and 3 seals at the dock one day. Just one guy. All head shots out of his boat. 

[Buzzsaw461]

Like I said these groups will say and do anything to stop the killing of Whales period. Has Green peace not attacked vessels who were attempting to harpoon Whales. Pretty sure the Sea Shepherd would resort to that as well. Even though they claim their non violent. I know you would like to paint me a racist because I disagree with you. Sorry not working.

Nobody said Tribes should stop Hunting, As far as as the lawsuit being filed by a group of racists doesn’t fly either, These groups will do anything and everything to stop the killing of Whales no matter who is doing it or wants to do it.

Should just hand the wildlife management over to the tribes. 🍿

If you can't beat ,then join them I suppose.
Even here in the northeast it's about the same 4 or 5 deer a year,Sept 1 -jan 1 Hunting season,they have the reservation + what they call the north half ,which is gmu 101 ,they mainly shoot mule deer antlerless,spikes you name it. When they pull up on a small herd of mule deer,and let's say there are two of them ,they can shoot the entire 10 deer herd.
And some do.
Then the next year they wonder where all the deer went.
It's freaking funny as all get out.

I figure at least then there might be predator management, probably be the same amount of tribal harvest as there is already. We will still have the same small dismal little seasons we get to go, with a handful of special permit tags.

But like you said can’t beat them join them. Then when we open up a wolf season the Seattle folks won’t/can’t scream about it because the almighty tribes authorized it.

You would think so but look at the Makahs. Can’t hunt whales cause of the environmental groups suing them over and over. Even tho the whales are over populated right now and the tribe wants to take 2 whales over 5 years. They waited while the numbers are down and now can’t hunt them cause they exercise their treaty rights during that time. Keep that in mind when you say the tribes should stop hunting or fishing. The lawsuit by sea shepherd and other groups is full of racist tropes, many of which are repeated here, and BS “science”. Kinda like the spring bear hunt issue. Can’t imagine having ancestors sign a treaty giving up about half the land on the OP to have the right to hunt and fish, only to have those rights taken away by environmental groups who despise you.

Lolololol you obviously haven’t seen the comments from the head of sea shepherd then. Saying that they are bloodthirsty savages and etc. Attacking treaty rights. Plenty on here who say it shouldn’t be a “right” anymore and want to reneg treaties and rights in them. If you want to stand with captain Paul Watson the by all means go ahead. Interesting how much money and effort they are spending to stop the makahs from harvesting 2 whales over 5 yrs but are silent about European countries harvesting whales every year.

[Buzzsaw461]

Do you know that Paul Watson threatened to sink a fleet of ships participating in an re-enactment of the 500 year anniversary of Columbus discovery of America if the participants didn’t sign an apology letter to the American Indians.

Nobody said Tribes should stop Hunting, As far as as the lawsuit being filed by a group of racists doesn’t fly either, These groups will do anything and everything to stop the killing of Whales no matter who is doing it or wants to do it.

Should just hand the wildlife management over to the tribes. 🍿

If you can't beat ,then join them I suppose.
Even here in the northeast it's about the same 4 or 5 deer a year,Sept 1 -jan 1 Hunting season,they have the reservation + what they call the north half ,which is gmu 101 ,they mainly shoot mule deer antlerless,spikes you name it. When they pull up on a small herd of mule deer,and let's say there are two of them ,they can shoot the entire 10 deer herd.
And some do.
Then the next year they wonder where all the deer went.
It's freaking funny as all get out.

I figure at least then there might be predator management, probably be the same amount of tribal harvest as there is already. We will still have the same small dismal little seasons we get to go, with a handful of special permit tags.

But like you said can’t beat them join them. Then when we open up a wolf season the Seattle folks won’t/can’t scream about it because the almighty tribes authorized it.

You would think so but look at the Makahs. Can’t hunt whales cause of the environmental groups suing them over and over. Even tho the whales are over populated right now and the tribe wants to take 2 whales over 5 years. They waited while the numbers are down and now can’t hunt them cause they exercise their treaty rights during that time. Keep that in mind when you say the tribes should stop hunting or fishing. The lawsuit by sea shepherd and other groups is full of racist tropes, many of which are repeated here, and BS “science”. Kinda like the spring bear hunt issue. Can’t imagine having ancestors sign a treaty giving up about half the land on the OP to have the right to hunt and fish, only to have those rights taken away by environmental groups who despise you.

Lolololol you obviously haven’t seen the comments from the head of sea shepherd then. Saying that they are bloodthirsty savages and etc. Attacking treaty rights. Plenty on here who say it shouldn’t be a “right” anymore and want to reneg treaties and rights in them. If you want to stand with captain Paul Watson the by all means go ahead. Interesting how much money and effort they are spending to stop the makahs from harvesting 2 whales over 5 yrs but are silent about European countries harvesting whales every year.

[Tbar]

I'm going on record...i support the Makah taking two whales in 5 years. Hand powered vessel. Traditional gear, safety boats under power nearby, harpoon, float and line.  Old school, traditional man vs beast.

Wasn't this the preferred approach? Does it violate IWC humane take standards? Do you not support a humane harvest to revive a reserved right?

[h20hunter]

I support humane harvest AND would support the taking as mentioned.

[KFhunter]

Would you support the Makah using speed boats, pneumatic spear cannons and have no limits on whales?