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Quote from: HighlandLofts on December 10, 2021, 10:53:07 PMIt is a total mess and it will get ugly and the cost will be huge. Why do the tree huggers get their way these days? Because they are serial litigators and good at it. Someone more talented than me needs to sue them for past disasters they created. Turn the tables on them. Anti logging and forest management and the resulting forest fire costs would be a great start. They have never been held accountable. They said they would save the spotted owl ( the population of them has since plummeted) but they sure created some unhealthy forests. They just move to the next “cause” and right now it’s predators in abundance.
It is a total mess and it will get ugly and the cost will be huge. Why do the tree huggers get their way these days?
Quote from: idaho guy on December 27, 2021, 02:38:40 PMQuote from: HighlandLofts on December 10, 2021, 10:53:07 PMIt is a total mess and it will get ugly and the cost will be huge. Why do the tree huggers get their way these days? Because they are serial litigators and good at it. Someone more talented than me needs to sue them for past disasters they created. Turn the tables on them. Anti logging and forest management and the resulting forest fire costs would be a great start. They have never been held accountable. They said they would save the spotted owl ( the population of them has since plummeted) but they sure created some unhealthy forests. They just move to the next “cause” and right now it’s predators in abundance.They work for the corrupt USFWS, just like the nature conservancy is the middle man for the gov buying up huge chunks of land.The spotted owl, wolves, salmon is all part of a big plan-
Quote from: wolfbait on December 29, 2021, 02:32:21 AMQuote from: idaho guy on December 27, 2021, 02:38:40 PMQuote from: HighlandLofts on December 10, 2021, 10:53:07 PMIt is a total mess and it will get ugly and the cost will be huge. Why do the tree huggers get their way these days? Because they are serial litigators and good at it. Someone more talented than me needs to sue them for past disasters they created. Turn the tables on them. Anti logging and forest management and the resulting forest fire costs would be a great start. They have never been held accountable. They said they would save the spotted owl ( the population of them has since plummeted) but they sure created some unhealthy forests. They just move to the next “cause” and right now it’s predators in abundance.They work for the corrupt USFWS, just like the nature conservancy is the middle man for the gov buying up huge chunks of land.The spotted owl, wolves, salmon is all part of a big plan-It is? I thought it was hunter led conservation groups that served as the middle man for the gov buying land. I’ve hunted on nature conservancy property in WA quite a bit, talked to their field personnel when I’ve seen them at the gates, certainly didn’t have any issue with hunting and they explained long term conservation plans for the property.
Quote from: haus on December 29, 2021, 08:48:34 PMQuote from: wolfbait on December 29, 2021, 02:32:21 AMQuote from: idaho guy on December 27, 2021, 02:38:40 PMQuote from: HighlandLofts on December 10, 2021, 10:53:07 PMIt is a total mess and it will get ugly and the cost will be huge. Why do the tree huggers get their way these days? Because they are serial litigators and good at it. Someone more talented than me needs to sue them for past disasters they created. Turn the tables on them. Anti logging and forest management and the resulting forest fire costs would be a great start. They have never been held accountable. They said they would save the spotted owl ( the population of them has since plummeted) but they sure created some unhealthy forests. They just move to the next “cause” and right now it’s predators in abundance.They work for the corrupt USFWS, just like the nature conservancy is the middle man for the gov buying up huge chunks of land.The spotted owl, wolves, salmon is all part of a big plan-It is? I thought it was hunter led conservation groups that served as the middle man for the gov buying land. I’ve hunted on nature conservancy property in WA quite a bit, talked to their field personnel when I’ve seen them at the gates, certainly didn’t have any issue with hunting and they explained long term conservation plans for the property.How The Nature Conservancy Secures Government Land Grabshttps://dailytorch.com/2011/04/how-the-nature-conservancy-secures-government-land-grabs/BLM Continues To Buy US Land From Nature Conservancyhttps://www.technocracy.news/blm-continues-to-buy-us-land-from-nature-conservancy/
Quote from: wolfbait on December 30, 2021, 08:07:49 PMQuote from: haus on December 29, 2021, 08:48:34 PMQuote from: wolfbait on December 29, 2021, 02:32:21 AMQuote from: idaho guy on December 27, 2021, 02:38:40 PMQuote from: HighlandLofts on December 10, 2021, 10:53:07 PMIt is a total mess and it will get ugly and the cost will be huge. Why do the tree huggers get their way these days? Because they are serial litigators and good at it. Someone more talented than me needs to sue them for past disasters they created. Turn the tables on them. Anti logging and forest management and the resulting forest fire costs would be a great start. They have never been held accountable. They said they would save the spotted owl ( the population of them has since plummeted) but they sure created some unhealthy forests. They just move to the next “cause” and right now it’s predators in abundance.They work for the corrupt USFWS, just like the nature conservancy is the middle man for the gov buying up huge chunks of land.The spotted owl, wolves, salmon is all part of a big plan-It is? I thought it was hunter led conservation groups that served as the middle man for the gov buying land. I’ve hunted on nature conservancy property in WA quite a bit, talked to their field personnel when I’ve seen them at the gates, certainly didn’t have any issue with hunting and they explained long term conservation plans for the property.How The Nature Conservancy Secures Government Land Grabshttps://dailytorch.com/2011/04/how-the-nature-conservancy-secures-government-land-grabs/BLM Continues To Buy US Land From Nature Conservancyhttps://www.technocracy.news/blm-continues-to-buy-us-land-from-nature-conservancy/Okay? What point are you attempting to make here, should they have held the land indefinitely and if they don't they're evil? Our hunter led conservation organizations do the exact same thing and often work with the NC as well as tribal entities to conserve land from development. The trade of is you get a Suncadia smack in the middle of a migration corridor and winter range area if nothings done.
Quote from: haus on December 31, 2021, 11:24:50 AMQuote from: wolfbait on December 30, 2021, 08:07:49 PMQuote from: haus on December 29, 2021, 08:48:34 PMQuote from: wolfbait on December 29, 2021, 02:32:21 AMQuote from: idaho guy on December 27, 2021, 02:38:40 PMQuote from: HighlandLofts on December 10, 2021, 10:53:07 PMIt is a total mess and it will get ugly and the cost will be huge. Why do the tree huggers get their way these days? Because they are serial litigators and good at it. Someone more talented than me needs to sue them for past disasters they created. Turn the tables on them. Anti logging and forest management and the resulting forest fire costs would be a great start. They have never been held accountable. They said they would save the spotted owl ( the population of them has since plummeted) but they sure created some unhealthy forests. They just move to the next “cause” and right now it’s predators in abundance.They work for the corrupt USFWS, just like the nature conservancy is the middle man for the gov buying up huge chunks of land.The spotted owl, wolves, salmon is all part of a big plan-It is? I thought it was hunter led conservation groups that served as the middle man for the gov buying land. I’ve hunted on nature conservancy property in WA quite a bit, talked to their field personnel when I’ve seen them at the gates, certainly didn’t have any issue with hunting and they explained long term conservation plans for the property.How The Nature Conservancy Secures Government Land Grabshttps://dailytorch.com/2011/04/how-the-nature-conservancy-secures-government-land-grabs/BLM Continues To Buy US Land From Nature Conservancyhttps://www.technocracy.news/blm-continues-to-buy-us-land-from-nature-conservancy/Okay? What point are you attempting to make here, should they have held the land indefinitely and if they don't they're evil? Our hunter led conservation organizations do the exact same thing and often work with the NC as well as tribal entities to conserve land from development. The trade of is you get a Suncadia smack in the middle of a migration corridor and winter range area if nothings done.Why does the gov hide behind NC, instead of outright buying the land in the first place?Times are changing pretty quick, bet it would surprise you a bit if the "gov" decided to let a corporation or corporations control certain areas of land they had bought or all of it and shut it down to hunting etc., managing the land for Profit of course...
Quote from: wolfbait on January 01, 2022, 10:01:49 PMQuote from: haus on December 31, 2021, 11:24:50 AMQuote from: wolfbait on December 30, 2021, 08:07:49 PMQuote from: haus on December 29, 2021, 08:48:34 PMQuote from: wolfbait on December 29, 2021, 02:32:21 AMQuote from: idaho guy on December 27, 2021, 02:38:40 PMQuote from: HighlandLofts on December 10, 2021, 10:53:07 PMIt is a total mess and it will get ugly and the cost will be huge. Why do the tree huggers get their way these days? Because they are serial litigators and good at it. Someone more talented than me needs to sue them for past disasters they created. Turn the tables on them. Anti logging and forest management and the resulting forest fire costs would be a great start. They have never been held accountable. They said they would save the spotted owl ( the population of them has since plummeted) but they sure created some unhealthy forests. They just move to the next “cause” and right now it’s predators in abundance.They work for the corrupt USFWS, just like the nature conservancy is the middle man for the gov buying up huge chunks of land.The spotted owl, wolves, salmon is all part of a big plan-It is? I thought it was hunter led conservation groups that served as the middle man for the gov buying land. I’ve hunted on nature conservancy property in WA quite a bit, talked to their field personnel when I’ve seen them at the gates, certainly didn’t have any issue with hunting and they explained long term conservation plans for the property.How The Nature Conservancy Secures Government Land Grabshttps://dailytorch.com/2011/04/how-the-nature-conservancy-secures-government-land-grabs/BLM Continues To Buy US Land From Nature Conservancyhttps://www.technocracy.news/blm-continues-to-buy-us-land-from-nature-conservancy/Okay? What point are you attempting to make here, should they have held the land indefinitely and if they don't they're evil? Our hunter led conservation organizations do the exact same thing and often work with the NC as well as tribal entities to conserve land from development. The trade of is you get a Suncadia smack in the middle of a migration corridor and winter range area if nothings done.Why does the gov hide behind NC, instead of outright buying the land in the first place?Times are changing pretty quick, bet it would surprise you a bit if the "gov" decided to let a corporation or corporations control certain areas of land they had bought or all of it and shut it down to hunting etc., managing the land for Profit of course...Its a sales pitch. NC is a non profit so my guess is that some kind of compromise can be meet. Say i have land worth 100k that needs selling at an estate sale. I can accept 50K cash and take the rest as a 501c3 donation. NC has the time and ability to extract full price from the feds where as an individual gets a quicker sale and a tax deduction as opposed to paying more. That is how I would structure it if i was playing a numbers game. It may be even more profitable than that depending on conditions of sale.
Quote from: Special T on January 01, 2022, 10:29:19 PMQuote from: wolfbait on January 01, 2022, 10:01:49 PMQuote from: haus on December 31, 2021, 11:24:50 AMQuote from: wolfbait on December 30, 2021, 08:07:49 PMQuote from: haus on December 29, 2021, 08:48:34 PMQuote from: wolfbait on December 29, 2021, 02:32:21 AMQuote from: idaho guy on December 27, 2021, 02:38:40 PMQuote from: HighlandLofts on December 10, 2021, 10:53:07 PMIt is a total mess and it will get ugly and the cost will be huge. Why do the tree huggers get their way these days? Because they are serial litigators and good at it. Someone more talented than me needs to sue them for past disasters they created. Turn the tables on them. Anti logging and forest management and the resulting forest fire costs would be a great start. They have never been held accountable. They said they would save the spotted owl ( the population of them has since plummeted) but they sure created some unhealthy forests. They just move to the next “cause” and right now it’s predators in abundance.They work for the corrupt USFWS, just like the nature conservancy is the middle man for the gov buying up huge chunks of land.The spotted owl, wolves, salmon is all part of a big plan-It is? I thought it was hunter led conservation groups that served as the middle man for the gov buying land. I’ve hunted on nature conservancy property in WA quite a bit, talked to their field personnel when I’ve seen them at the gates, certainly didn’t have any issue with hunting and they explained long term conservation plans for the property.How The Nature Conservancy Secures Government Land Grabshttps://dailytorch.com/2011/04/how-the-nature-conservancy-secures-government-land-grabs/BLM Continues To Buy US Land From Nature Conservancyhttps://www.technocracy.news/blm-continues-to-buy-us-land-from-nature-conservancy/Okay? What point are you attempting to make here, should they have held the land indefinitely and if they don't they're evil? Our hunter led conservation organizations do the exact same thing and often work with the NC as well as tribal entities to conserve land from development. The trade of is you get a Suncadia smack in the middle of a migration corridor and winter range area if nothings done.Why does the gov hide behind NC, instead of outright buying the land in the first place?Times are changing pretty quick, bet it would surprise you a bit if the "gov" decided to let a corporation or corporations control certain areas of land they had bought or all of it and shut it down to hunting etc., managing the land for Profit of course...Its a sales pitch. NC is a non profit so my guess is that some kind of compromise can be meet. Say i have land worth 100k that needs selling at an estate sale. I can accept 50K cash and take the rest as a 501c3 donation. NC has the time and ability to extract full price from the feds where as an individual gets a quicker sale and a tax deduction as opposed to paying more. That is how I would structure it if i was playing a numbers game. It may be even more profitable than that depending on conditions of sale. Good explanation of one of the big reasons special T 👍
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Capital Press is reporting a wolf shot sometime around 1/8 in this same general area. It was a collared two year old female.
Quote from: chukarchaser on January 11, 2022, 07:07:03 PMCapital Press is reporting a wolf shot sometime around 1/8 in this same general area. It was a collared two year old female. good deal!!
