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WDFW Commissioner Thorburn Op-Ed
« on: February 03, 2022, 11:12:27 AM »
An excellent Op-Ed by Commissioner Thorburn.  I've been exceptionally impressed by her efforts on the commission.  If you are a hunter in this state...you should be grateful for her willingness to serve on this commission.

https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2022/feb/03/kim-thorburn-following-existing-laws-would-fix-fis/
By Kim Thorburn

The Washington Fish and Wildlife Commission is in the spotlight as allegedly “dysfunctional,” fraught with “interpersonal” conflict. Some legislators are proposing to fix it.

During hearings on “fix-it” bills, lawmakers seemed to call out the appointment process as what needs to be fixed. I agree that the problem lies in the appointment process, not in the commission itself. But if the parties responsible for appointment process, the governor and Senate, followed existing laws, I posit there is already the ability to effectively comprise a commission that does what it is supposed to do: protect, perpetuate, and preserve the state’s fish, shellfish, and wildlife; conserve and authorize take so as not to imperil the resources; maximize hunting and fishing opportunities; and include volunteers in these efforts. (RCW 77.04.012)

There are two statutes that govern commission appointments, RCW 77.04.030 and RCW 77.04.055, neither of which is being followed. The former law is about the process of commission appointments, including geographic distribution of commissioner appointees, terms, appointment dates, and time limits on filling vacancies. The governor who is the appointing authority has not complied with appointment staggering requirements and vacancies have been left unfilled well past the statutory mandate.

The other law is about commissioner qualifications. It reads in part, “In making these appointments, the governor shall seek to maintain a balance reflecting all aspects of fish and wildlife, including representation recommended by organized groups representing sport fishers, commercial fishers, hunters, private landowners, and environmentalists.” We are now hearing loudly from the state’s hunting groups that the governor did not consult them during the latest round of commission appointments. There is considerable well-founded speculation that the only groups consulted were organized anti-hunting animal rights groups and individuals and they represent extremist environmentalist fringe whose beliefs have little or nothing to do with fish and wildlife conservation and management.

The commission’s mandate to conserve and manage the state’s fish and wildlife in trust for the citizens is inclusive, not partisan. The animal rights creed that advocates no hunting or no hunting of certain species or banning some traditional methods of hunting and fishing is exclusive, partisan, and incompatible with the commission’s statutory duties. Animal rights groups have become increasingly visible and are, in part, the reason that the Fish and Wildlife Commission is in the spotlight. They bring conflict to mandate responsibilities and are using the political process to disrupt the commission’s duty to the mission.

Apparently, animal rights groups have an ally in the governor. Even with a legally defined process, appointing authority can be exploited to advance partisan motives, including back-door attempts to change law without going through the arduous process called for by our representative form of government. That’s why there are checks and balances such as advice and consent to appointments. Advice and consent through the Senate’s confirmation process should provide assurance that appointments involved the legally required inclusive consultation and more important, vet appointees for their commitment to uphold the statutory mandate rather than serve as a Trojan horse to change the mission.

The work of the Fish and Wildlife Commission touches the diverse cultures of our state. The statutory mission provides the guideposts for navigating the diverse cultures. The commission conflict that is purportedly so prevalent arises from a group, animal rights believers and government official supporting them, who seek to exclude many cultures involving fish and wildlife - hunters, commercial fishers, certain sports anglers, rural landowners, mainstream environmentalists - by changing the mission.

A dramatic shift in social and cultural norms does not belong in the hands of an appointed body like the Fish and Wildlife Commission. It is the work of the Legislature through regular transparent and inclusive representative law-making and not political payback or endgame back-room budget dealing. I suggest that we don’t need new laws to improve the functioning of the Fish and Wildlife Commission but instead, we need elected officials to follow current law.

Kim Thorburn, of Spokane, is a member of the Washington Fish and Wildlife Commission.
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Re: WDFW Commissioner Thorburn Op-Ed
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2022, 11:19:42 AM »
Glad she's speaking up and calling out the corruption and all of the BS, but she probably just ensured that Inslee appoints someone else once her term is up. Even though in reality we need 8 more commissioners just like her.

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Re: WDFW Commissioner Thorburn Op-Ed
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2022, 11:21:23 AM »
Where's Jackalopes "BOOM" when we need it! Perfectly worded Kim, well done!
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Re: WDFW Commissioner Thorburn Op-Ed
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2022, 11:26:04 AM »
Great article. It really all does come down to Inslee and the antis in his ear and/or pocket...

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Re: WDFW Commissioner Thorburn Op-Ed
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2022, 11:28:37 AM »
Great article! Wish the other commissioners were more like her.

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Re: WDFW Commissioner Thorburn Op-Ed
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2022, 11:38:15 AM »
 :tup:

Good for her....now will she get any legislative support where it counts or will she get cancelled...

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Re: WDFW Commissioner Thorburn Op-Ed
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2022, 11:38:55 AM »
Awesome article.

Let's hope she gets some support, FGR!
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Re: WDFW Commissioner Thorburn Op-Ed
« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2022, 11:41:36 AM »
Great write up! I think she deserves a message of support from the hunting and angling communities. I'll be sending an email directly to here wdfw email address.

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Re: WDFW Commissioner Thorburn Op-Ed
« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2022, 11:42:18 AM »
Awesome article.

Let's hope she gets some support, FGR!

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Re: WDFW Commissioner Thorburn Op-Ed
« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2022, 11:56:37 AM »
Apparently, animal rights groups have an ally in the governor. Ya think??
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Re: WDFW Commissioner Thorburn Op-Ed
« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2022, 12:49:03 PM »
BOOM!

Sorry, not Jackelope. 
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Re: WDFW Commissioner Thorburn Op-Ed
« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2022, 12:50:30 PM »
i am impressed by her more and more.   glad she wrote this article.

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Re: WDFW Commissioner Thorburn Op-Ed
« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2022, 01:00:46 PM »
Nice!

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Re: WDFW Commissioner Thorburn Op-Ed
« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2022, 01:02:14 PM »
i am impressed by her more and more.   glad she wrote this article.

I was just thinking the same thing....
A year or two ago I might not of said that.
But she seems great these days.👍

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Re: WDFW Commissioner Thorburn Op-Ed
« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2022, 01:03:00 PM »
Where's Jackalopes "BOOM" when we need it! Perfectly worded Kim, well done!
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Re: WDFW Commissioner Thorburn Op-Ed
« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2022, 01:23:32 PM »
:fire.:

" In today's instant gratification society, more and more pressure revolves around success and the measurement of one's prowess as a hunter by inches on a score chart or field photos produced on social media. Don't fall into the trap. Hunting is-and always will be- about the hunt, the adventure, the views, and time spent with close friends and family. " Ryan Hatfield

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Re: WDFW Commissioner Thorburn Op-Ed
« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2022, 01:30:44 PM »
Where's Jackalopes "BOOM" when we need it! Perfectly worded Kim, well done!
Totally agree!  Nice work Kim!


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Re: WDFW Commissioner Thorburn Op-Ed
« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2022, 01:40:55 PM »
! It was well stated.
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Re: WDFW Commissioner Thorburn Op-Ed
« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2022, 01:42:52 PM »
I want to remind folks that Thorburn isn't a hunter. Despite this fact she has stood stronger than some of our other friends on the comission. She stood with maintaining hunting derbies (99%)coyote, when others shied away because of optics. She was not scared or detered.  I am not really surprised it was her speaking out, because she has stuck with science and the Comissioners mandates.
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Re: WDFW Commissioner Thorburn Op-Ed
« Reply #19 on: February 03, 2022, 01:43:10 PM »
That was well stated.  I would recommend emailing her directly and thanking her for being candid and airing out the problems with the commission. 

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« Reply #20 on: February 03, 2022, 01:50:07 PM »
Wow great common sense article!
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Re: WDFW Commissioner Thorburn Op-Ed
« Reply #21 on: February 03, 2022, 02:09:27 PM »
I was originally unimpressed with her and thought she wasn't the right choice for the commission. I'm eating my words now. Especially when compared to the extremists on the commission, she has a level head about what the job of the DFW is really.
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Re: WDFW Commissioner Thorburn Op-Ed
« Reply #22 on: February 03, 2022, 02:39:45 PM »
Its nice to see her call out the other commissioners and call it like it is.

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Re: WDFW Commissioner Thorburn Op-Ed
« Reply #23 on: February 03, 2022, 02:54:51 PM »
That was well stated.  I would recommend emailing her directly and thanking her for being candid and airing out the problems with the commission.
I know we can email the commission but don't see where I can email Kim direct.  Is that address somewhere?
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Re: WDFW Commissioner Thorburn Op-Ed
« Reply #24 on: February 03, 2022, 02:56:58 PM »
You can find her direct email in the WDFW directory. Didn't want to post it here directly.

https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/contact/employee-lookup

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Re: WDFW Commissioner Thorburn Op-Ed
« Reply #25 on: February 03, 2022, 03:13:32 PM »
That was well stated.  I would recommend emailing her directly and thanking her for being candid and airing out the problems with the commission.
I know we can email the commission but don't see where I can email Kim direct.  Is that address somewhere?

You can email anyone in the Department or Commission, first name .second name@dfw.wa.gov
Works for Legislators too.
example using my name: bruce.vandervort@dfw.wa.gov
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Re: WDFW Commissioner Thorburn Op-Ed
« Reply #26 on: February 03, 2022, 03:43:13 PM »
Thanks Bruce and pickardjw
Pain is temporary, achieving the goal is worth it.

I didn't say it would be easy, I said it would be worth it.

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Re: WDFW Commissioner Thorburn Op-Ed
« Reply #27 on: February 03, 2022, 04:02:03 PM »
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Re: WDFW Commissioner Thorburn Op-Ed
« Reply #28 on: February 03, 2022, 08:05:13 PM »
Love the article - saw bloodorigins share it on Instagram. I dialed in to the special commission zoom meeting regarding spring bear and was also impressed with her comments there. If we could get rid of Lorna Smith and find another Kim Thorburn, feels like we’d be in a safer place for a while.

Sent her an email of thanks.
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Re: WDFW Commissioner Thorburn Op-Ed
« Reply #29 on: February 04, 2022, 04:53:35 AM »
Watch out Kim, reality can get you unappointed in the inslee world.  Ever stepped on a protected earthworm or body bashed a mouse? 

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Re: WDFW Commissioner Thorburn Op-Ed
« Reply #30 on: February 05, 2022, 09:49:29 AM »
In her reply, this stuck out:

“It is critical that we all hear the voices of sportsmen and women about all that you do for fish and wildlife conservation and management as well as the healthy family, friend, and community pleasures provided.”

I take this to mean: it can’t be one-and-done, it can’t be assumed that our perspective is always known; and that using our voices at every juncture is a weapon she and like-minded colleagues can and needs to be able to use in fighting for what’s right.

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Re: WDFW Commissioner Thorburn Op-Ed
« Reply #31 on: February 05, 2022, 10:58:30 AM »
Thorburn is great! I will be sending her a an email stating my gratitude and I'll be sending emails of support for her to the Senate Agriculture, Water, Natural Resources & Parks Committee as well.
Keep up the good fight Team! 

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Re: WDFW Commissioner Thorburn Op-Ed
« Reply #32 on: February 06, 2022, 06:11:47 AM »
Apparently, animal rights groups have an ally in the governor. Ya think??
As do most lunatics in this State :bash:
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Re: WDFW Commissioner Thorburn Op-Ed
« Reply #33 on: February 06, 2022, 06:59:07 AM »
I wrote her a thank you note and got a similar response.  "It is critical that we all hear the voices of sportsmen and women about all that you do for fish and wildlife conservation and management as well as the healthy family, friend, and community pleasures provided."
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