Rivian electric truck.

[lamrith]

Towing capacity: 11,000 lbs
MSRP: From $67,500
Make: Rivian
Range: 260 to 314 mi battery-only
Battery: 135 kWh lithium-ion
Battery charge time: 13h at 220V,..........................  13 hours!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No thanks!!!!

That's at 220V which is L2 home charging, MAX is like 11Kw.
On a roadtrip you will use DCFC which is orders of magnitude faster.  Talking 150KW to 350KW.

The trick with EV is just charge nightly at home, you don't wait to "fill your tank" until it is low like a ICE.  You get home, park, plug it in and go about your evening.  Never looking for or spending time at a gas station, each morning you have a full tank..

[lamrith]

One thing I thought of is if you need a special charging plugin...some setup that will be used for your EV...where do you put it assuming you have to charge your EV every night?

In the garage? If you are like me you periodically have projects that take up floor space in the garage for a week or more and so you park your vehicle outside.

An outside charging station? So I have to park my car in the same spot every night where it will get snowed on instead of inside?

Will these at home charging stations have a 100 foot extension cord? I assume the cord is pretty short?

You are arguing in yourself circles.    Each person will have their own setup.  Unless you are using max/full range or more than 1/2 you will not need to charge nightly.  you can if you want, but not required.  Most of the larger EV's like rivian, lightning, tesla, etc are well over 100mi range.  Talking Tacoma to Seattle at least 2x on a charge.  If you are stuck in 30mph traffic you might make 3, EV's LOVE slow traffic.

My garage has project vehicles in it, so I mounted my charger outside (Not for a Rivian, another EV)  If you will be doing projects off and on, then would make sense to put the charger near the front of garage so the cord could reach out the door and just park your EV close, or be used inside.  If you are afraid of weather then I guess you need to hurry up and finish that project to get the rig back inside!  :-p

Charging cords are usually 24-25ft.  They do also make extensions for them.  The real key is what is your daily usage?  AVG US commute is only 36miles round trip.  Rivian will do that for like 8 days without a charge.  You could DCFC for that one time for a week if need be, or shop at Albertsons/Safeway and use their free charges while you shop which are 5-7KW L2.

[lamrith]

Saw an R1T in the snow other day.  I have been following Rivian since it started. The R1T truck is smaller than I was expecting from the photos, now having seen one in person.  But very nice off road capabilities in them.   I would like the SUV version (R1S) that is starting to ship.  Considering it's competing against the Volvo, Mercedes, BMW, Tesla class of vehicles it is a compelling option for an electric SUV.

Here is the real world charging time on a DC fast charger (which is what most people would use on a road trip).  42 minutes to charge from 10% to 80% charge.  20 minutes to get to first 140 miles added.  It's not a linear charging rate. 
https://insideevs.com/news/586886/how-long-to-charge-rivian-r1t/

With the next gen DC fast charging stations coming out, the charge times will go down from these numbers as more of the new faster charging stations get deployed. 

With a Rivian wall charger at home, it charges at 25 miles per hour replenishment rate. 

Rivian is currently the best option for electric truck or SUV.  But competitors are coming with new models, so will see how the market shakes out.

The vehicles are as much or more a holdup as the chargers, there need to be MORE chargers for sure and some of the older ones are not very reliable, but it is the vehicles that usually throttle charge speed.
Most EV even expensive ones only charge at about 150KW max.  There are chargers up and down I5 currently pushing 350.  It often comes down to the charge curve the Car Mfg sets up.  Mach-E can hit 150KW, but they have a well known bad curve so start slow, ramp mid way to 100's then right back down.  Then there are vehicles like the Audi E-tron that is well known for it's very flat curve.  It jumps right into 100's and stays there till 80% then drops.  Then there are speed demons like the E-GMP platform and Porsche Tycan that  will ramp and charge in the mid/upper 200Kw ranges.  Talking 10-80% in 18min.

I would argue the Lightning is as good or better truck than the rivian.  R1T is damn cool, but also a bit "Faddy", smaller and definitely has a niche they are going after in terms of yuppy/outdoors adventure type folks.  The lightning is a classicF150 with different power.  Lot more standard utilitarian pickup that anyone can just get in and enjoy.  not battling thru center screen to adjust your hvac vents or wipers etc.  They are each solid rigs with different market segments in mind.

[lamrith]

Big Fan.  Follower since 2019.

My wife's R1S set to be delivered in December after a 3 year wait.  Not the end all solution for every need of a vehicle but following the 80/20 rule, will be just fine.

Congrats, just saw some vids on those, very very cool rig.  Make sure to share your thoughts in a thread after you have had it a while.

[lamrith]

My opinion is that energy storage will evolve faster than charging technology.  You can only ram so many electrons down a cable per second so the charging rate has some bounds.  Storage doesn't have nearly the same limitations.  Either more storage or some form of swappable.

That right there is the future: swappable power supply.  Pull into a “gas” station, attendant slides your low batteries out and puts fresh ones in for a fee.  Back on the road with a full charge.  But at home or restaurant, grocery store, anywhere stationary and you plug in.  Like paying extra for
A propane tank swap vs having it filled.  Really the bones of our electric charging infrastructure is far superior to our current vehicle fuel supply system.  I dont know anyone with diesel pumps or gas pumps at home.  Everyone has power.

Tesla was working on just that sort of thing years ago but I have note heard it mentioned since. I too think it is a great idea, even better if those stations could do it automatically then those packs get recharged until the next vehicle comes along. 

The big problem then is "ownership" of a pack  You may take very good care of your battery, others do not, so you go on a road trip and hit a swap station, end up with a POS battery and yours goes into the pool for some other person that gets swapped later.  I for one would be pissed to get a pack back that was degraded when I mine was top notch...

[jackelope]

I have to admit that I haven't really been paying any attention to this "truck".  However, a couple of days ago I found myself following one through traffic in Bonney Lake.  My initial impression was that it appeared very light duty.  Especially when I noticed that it didn't even have a hitch receiver.   

It’s not even remotely intended to be heavy duty. Kind of like a Tacoma or a Ranger or something like that.

[jackelope]

Big Fan.  Follower since 2019.

My wife's R1S set to be delivered in December after a 3 year wait.  Not the end all solution for every need of a vehicle but following the 80/20 rule, will be just fine.

Congrats, just saw some vids on those, very very cool rig.  Make sure to share your thoughts in a thread after you have had it a while.

Spoke to a lady yesterday who was getting her transit van serviced. She’s got one on order for almost 4 years she said and it keeps getting bumped out. She’s thinking about cancelling and ordering a Mach E.

[mountainman]

Doesn’t help that majority of Rivians were recalled

[Boss .300 winmag]

My opinion is that energy storage will evolve faster than charging technology.  You can only ram so many electrons down a cable per second so the charging rate has some bounds.  Storage doesn't have nearly the same limitations.  Either more storage or some form of swappable.

That right there is the future: swappable power supply.  Pull into a “gas” station, attendant slides your low batteries out and puts fresh ones in for a fee.  Back on the road with a full charge.  But at home or restaurant, grocery store, anywhere stationary and you plug in.  Like paying extra for
A propane tank swap vs having it filled.  Really the bones of our electric charging infrastructure is far superior to our current vehicle fuel supply system.  I dont know anyone with diesel pumps or gas pumps at home.  Everyone has power.

Uh lots of people have pumps at home, I do.

When I was growing up in eastern Washington, every farmer/rancher does.

Where are you hillbilling at?🤔

[Zardoz]

Scotty Kilmer is the Man...Rivian working with Mercedes, will kill the Rivian brand. IMO.

RT  11:07

[highcountry_hunter]

Scotty Kilmer is the Man...Rivian working with Mercedes, will kill the Rivian brand. IMO.

RT  11:07

I’ve never heard anyone say that this guy is the man lol.


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[dyhardhuntr]

This is a technology that no matter how a person feels about it it’s going to get crammed down our necks. As a technician there are aspects I like about the vehicles. Fewer moving parts means less wear and tear and less cost. My concern is infrastructure. It isn’t there. If everyone was forced to have one or two our electric grid couldn’t handle the extra load. Most utilities are trying to figure out how to strengthen their grid in order to be reliable. Unless your utility had some forward thinking years ago to plan for this( there are a few). Then you’ll be ok for a while. I can see brown outs in the future especially since the greenies want to remove all our dams. We should have infrastructure first before they start pushing this. I feel it’s inevitable. There will have to be a stipulation for emergency services though. For the jobs they do it makes zero sense to have all electric vehicles. Also the state will come up with some special tax to make up for the gas tax if they aren’t allowing gas powered vehicles.

[Stein]

If we told Henry Ford to not build any vehicles until there was a nationwide infrastructure for refueling them, would we have ever had gas powered vehicles?

Same with planes, we didn't wait until there was an airport in every town before we built airplanes.

The infrastructure will follow because there is money to be made when demand exists.  Utilities can't wait to sell you the electricity, IPPs can't wait to sell them power.  All kinds of companies can't wait to sell all the stuff that you put into your house, offices, mall parking lots and wherever else.

Making electricity is painfully easy and inexpensive whether we prefer traditional or low carbon methods.  We can easily make more than we need.

[Zardoz]

If we told Henry Ford to not build any vehicles until there was a nationwide infrastructure for refueling them, would we have ever had gas powered vehicles?

Same with planes, we didn't wait until there was an airport in every town before we built airplanes.

The infrastructure will follow because there is money to be made when demand exists.  Utilities can't wait to sell you the electricity, IPPs can't wait to sell them power.  All kinds of companies can't wait to sell all the stuff that you put into your house, offices, mall parking lots and wherever else.

Making electricity is painfully easy and inexpensive whether we prefer traditional or low carbon methods.  We can easily make more than we need.

I agree with most everything but this. "low carbon methods". Low carbon methods will never be easy or inexpensive. At least not on this planet or in your children's life time. Until someone develops a "Mr Fusion" like in Back To The Future movies, Green will never be Green or affordable for the common man. 

[Stein]

If we told Henry Ford to not build any vehicles until there was a nationwide infrastructure for refueling them, would we have ever had gas powered vehicles?

Same with planes, we didn't wait until there was an airport in every town before we built airplanes.

The infrastructure will follow because there is money to be made when demand exists.  Utilities can't wait to sell you the electricity, IPPs can't wait to sell them power.  All kinds of companies can't wait to sell all the stuff that you put into your house, offices, mall parking lots and wherever else.

Making electricity is painfully easy and inexpensive whether we prefer traditional or low carbon methods.  We can easily make more than we need.

I agree with most everything but this. "low carbon methods". Low carbon methods will never be easy or inexpensive. At least not on this planet or in your children's life time. Until someone develops a "Mr Fusion" like in Back To The Future movies, Green will never be Green or affordable for the common man. 

Lots of low carbon power out there including hydro and nuclear.  Wind power is even cheaper than fossil fuel now.  Onshore wind is half the price of coal and offshore is less still.  Fortunately the US has tons of nat gas, so that's easy to use as well.

Making electrons move around is pretty much child's play at this point.  We can argue about how we want to do it, but we could make more than we could ever use quite easily.

It's like saying that gas stations are afraid people will drive more because they will run out of gas if demand increases.  It's capitalism, we just make more.