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Is this an Atlantic Salmon? (Update- it is a brown trout)
« on: April 10, 2023, 07:01:22 AM »
I had a couple hours to spare on Sunday before the rain set in so I decided to check out the fishing now that the ice is off Lake Cocolalla (ID).

For the first time in my adult life I reeled in a fish and had no idea what I had caught.  My first thought was that it was a variety of Trout I was not familiar with.  I verified it was not a bull trout and decided to keep it. 

My next thought was that it was an oddly colored rainbow.  But as I looked closer it had a tail more like a salmon than a trout.  So then I thought Kokanee – I have never caught one of those and they are in the area but a look at photos showed they did not seem to have the spots.

In the dual fish photo I have a rainbow on the top.  You can see the mystery fish is shaped totally different (more snaky). 

A buddy of mine who fishes commercial from time to time in AK and has guided in his past looked at it and said definitely a salmonoid.  He is fairly certain it is an Atlantic salmon!  I tend to agree with that assessment.  If so, how on earth did an Atlantic salmon end up in Lake Cocolalla ID?
« Last Edit: April 10, 2023, 08:40:50 AM by Rob »
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Re: Is this an Atlantic Salmon?
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2023, 07:07:49 AM »
My thought is a strain of cutthroat. Nice looking fish.
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Re: Is this an Atlantic Salmon?
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2023, 07:45:14 AM »
My thought is a strain of cutthroat. Nice looking fish.

Kind of looks like the black and white stock cutty.
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Re: Is this an Atlantic Salmon?
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2023, 08:01:12 AM »
They definitely stock cuts in Cocolalla.  but I would expect some kind of red mark below the gills if it was a cut.  Are there Cuts with no "cut" under the throat?
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Re: Is this an Atlantic Salmon?
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2023, 08:03:48 AM »
Also, cuts have very spotty tails.  This one might have a single spot (most of the "spots" on the tail in the photo are bit of debris from the floor of my boat), but I think it was totally spot free.
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Re: Is this an Atlantic Salmon?
« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2023, 08:06:16 AM »
Possibly a brown. They have sporadic spots, broad tails and can range from silver to brown in color.
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Re: Is this an Atlantic Salmon?
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2023, 08:09:38 AM »
closeup of the tail from the two photos.  The spots are not in the same place so I am thinking the tail is spot free.

Could be an oddball brown - there are supposed to be some big German browns in Cocolalla.
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Re: Is this an Atlantic Salmon?
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2023, 08:12:28 AM »
They definitely stock cuts in Cocolalla.  but I would expect some kind of red mark below the gills if it was a cut.  Are there Cuts with no "cut" under the throat?
Yes, the black and white stocks have no cut.
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Re: Is this an Atlantic Salmon?
« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2023, 08:13:08 AM »
I looked closer and there are a few spots on the tail (when comparing the photos).  The spots faded as time passed from catching it.  Red circles are spots I can see on both photos.
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Re: Is this an Atlantic Salmon?
« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2023, 08:14:31 AM »
They definitely stock cuts in Cocolalla.  but I would expect some kind of red mark below the gills if it was a cut.  Are there Cuts with no "cut" under the throat?
Yes, the black and white stocks have no cut.

Interesting - I have never heard of a black and white Cut throat.  I did send the photo on to Fish and game.  I will see what they come back with and report back.
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Re: Is this an Atlantic Salmon?
« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2023, 08:16:14 AM »
This is interesting. I tend to agree with X-Force:

Possibly a brown. They have sporadic spots, broad tails and can range from silver to brown in color.

Either that oddball brown or an oddball cuttie. Not all cuttthroat have visible slashes.

It does look like an Atlantic, and I believe browns are the closest relatives.

I'd be almost inclined to take it to the state lab if there is one close.
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Re: Is this an Atlantic Salmon?
« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2023, 08:20:55 AM »
I did send photos to IDFG so that may shed some light.
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Re: Is this an Atlantic Salmon?
« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2023, 08:39:03 AM »
I did send photos to IDFG so that may shed some light.

It will be interesting to hear what they come back with.
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Re: Is this an Atlantic Salmon?
« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2023, 08:40:26 AM »
Verdict from IDFG:

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It’s a brown trout. They were stocked in Cocolalla some time ago (90’s). They naturalized and now provide a unique component to the fishery based on all wild recruitment.

Good call X-force and Bullkllr!

I would have never called that out as a Brown Trout - I don't expect a bright sliver body on those guys
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Re: Is this an Atlantic Salmon?
« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2023, 08:45:16 AM »
Verdict from IDFG:

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It’s a brown trout. They were stocked in Cocolalla some time ago (90’s). They naturalized and now provide a unique component to the fishery based on all wild recruitment.

Good call X-force and Bullkllr!

I would have never called that out as a Brown Trout - I don't expect a bright sliver body on those guys

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