Cubing points

[Ridgerunner]

Thanks Rainer10, I feel much better with my 10 years of points and crushed dreams on a yearly basis. 

[Bob33]

Until a few years ago WDFW published the number of applicants with different points levels for different species. For the most part they showed that applicants with more points had better odds of drawing a permit than applicants with fewer points.

There are always tales of “I know someone who drew with one point ”. However, when you looked at the numbers there were 10,000 applicants with one point and two of them drew, while there were five applicants with maximum points who didn't get selected. It is also usually the case that applicants in the highest point levels apply for the hardest to draw permits, whereas applicants with one or two points may apply for any permit which can skew draw odds.

[Pathfinder101]

The "good" news is that there isn't really any "point creep" in WA.  We are all uniformly disappointed..

[Bob33]

And yet in spite of poor to awful odds, a majority of hunters keep applying year after year in the elusive hope of drawing. This is the year!

“Relax said the nightman, we are programmed to receive…”

[trophyhunt]

   But it’s an exciting time of year!! Until the results come out…. At least I get to see my wife draw every year, that’s always fun!   

[chukardogs]

I have so many points for quality deer, elk, sheep, moose and goat, you guys with one or two should just save your money. Aren't there people out there with like 25 points or more for some of the OIL tags? We as older hunters need to start disenfranchising young hunters and explain how much of a waste it is to even put in to the draw. For an example, the only tag I've drawn in twenty five years of trying, was the Teanaway Archery Bull Elk and I had to give it back because of the fires that year. If nothing else, that should make it clear to the younger guys how much of a waste it is to even try. Good luck to you all!

[WAcoueshunter]

Don't they also put all weapon groups together when they draw?
Like when they do quality elk, all weapon groups get assigned a number and they go down the list on what is available. So the archery, muzzleloader and rifle hunters are mixed in the quality category and the lowest number starts first and goes from there?

I don't think so because some of the hunt options are open to multiple weapon categories.  Pretty sure they just assign a number to everyone (regardless of east/west, or weapon choice), and then go down the list and see if a tag is still available for what you applied for when your number comes up.

It doesn't matter as you would only be competing against 'like' weapon holders for permits generally anyway.

For the most part that's true, but there are some tags that are open to multiple weapon choices. 

[WAcoueshunter]

In the most basic of terms, if two individuals are vying for the same tag (weapon, season, etc..etc.) and one individual has ten points and the other has one point. Are some on here saying, the hunter with ten points has the same odds of drawing that tag as the individual that has one point? If so, what's the point?

No. One has a 0.00546% chance and the other has a 0.00454% chance so 0.00096% better chance. Not much of a difference but it’s a difference.

In this example, with 100 chances versus 1 chance, shouldn't the decimal just move two spots to the left?

[Jonathan_S]

I have so many points for quality deer, elk, sheep, moose and goat, you guys with one or two should just save your money. Aren't there people out there with like 25 points or more for some of the OIL tags? We as older hunters need to start disenfranchising young hunters and explain how much of a waste it is to even put in to the draw. For an example, the only tag I've drawn in twenty five years of trying, was the Teanaway Archery Bull Elk and I had to give it back because of the fires that year. If nothing else, that should make it clear to the younger guys how much of a waste it is to even try. Good luck to you all!

There have been a bunch OIL and basically OIL draws with single and low single digit points. Somebody is going to win, it's just another dart to throw.

[Jonathan_S]

  But it’s an exciting time of year!! Until the results come out…. At least I get to see my wife draw every year, that’s always fun!   

You've drawn moose tags though which means youve beaten the odds more than anybody, regardless of points, could hope to.

[trophyhunt]

  But it’s an exciting time of year!! Until the results come out…. At least I get to see my wife draw every year, that’s always fun!   

You've drawn moose tags though which means youve beaten the odds more than anybody, regardless of points, could hope to.

I personally drew a bull moose tag, definitely beat the odds once, had lots of points.  I have no clue why my wife’s draws so much, maybe it’s an algorithm?? She’s damn lucky! And I’m an idiot for not putting in with her! 

[Whitpirate]

I like the idea of cubing points at 25, you'd think that would help top point holders.  That would give me 24,389 points for quality and bull elk, mud flow here I come... 

Quit trying to reward max points.... and screw the new kids.... If you love being at the front of the line head to those states where they guarantee it.... I've got max moose and I'm asking the state every year to get rid of cow hunts....

Quit being selfish Jerry!   We'll all die with points in the barrel.

LOL

[Whitpirate]

And if you really want better odds.  Throw a grand at the raffles.

[bobcat]

I like the idea of cubing points at 25, you'd think that would help top point holders.  That would give me 24,389 points for quality and bull elk, mud flow here I come... 

Quit trying to reward max points.... and screw the new kids.... If you love being at the front of the line head to those states where they guarantee it.... I've got max moose and I'm asking the state every year to get rid of cow hunts....

Quit being selfish Jerry!   We'll all die with points in the barrel.

LOL

I agree. And I've got 27 moose points. But if they make my odds better, other people's odds get worse. The best thing to do, especially with OIL species, is eliminate points. And also non residents shouldn't be able to apply.

[trophyhunt]

And if you really want better odds.  Throw a grand at the raffles.

shhhh