2001 Deer Permits

[Bob33]

A blast from the past.

[CarbonHunter]

The good old days when there were articles about how the umtanum unit was the best in the state and your best shot at a 40” muley. Then it got opened up to general season…

[millerwheeler]

What a difference

[trophyhunt]

Back before the tribes wiped out the Alkali, man that was a great unit.

[duckmen1]

I honestly wish the permit system was the way it was before. Deer 4 entries period. Pick those 4. Not split in all the catagories.

[builtfordtough]

Carbonhunter.  You are spot on.  The manastash unit held some absolute slobs.  Would see so many deer in a day. And so many elk too.  Some of the biggest deer I've seen was in this unit.    I believe they opened it up to general deer season in 2003ish.  Wdfw reasoning was to scale down the deer herds there for a better elk population.   Howd that work out. Now there's no deer and no elk. 

[Wingin it]

Those were the days! Crazy how mismanaged things are now.

[JWBINX]

So Sad!!

[CarbonHunter]

Remember how much we were complaining back in 01 about how the good old days were?  That was shortly after the bad winters of the mid 90’s and we still had so much opportunity and there were so many animals compared to today.

With all the “management” they have done and money spent it is amazing how far in the wrong direction the wildlife populations have gone. In my opinion there are fewer hunters today and less poaching than what took place over the last 50 years prior to 01 yet in the last generation we have seen the populations drop at alarming rates while the populations climbed in the 20th century with limited regulation.

[emac]

A blast from the past.

Can you do this with elk?

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[wadu1]

@emac how about one from 1974, crummy photo from my phone.

[Bob33]

A blast from the past.

Can you do this with elk?

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Here are the first two pages.

[Dan-o]

That's enough to make a grown man cry.   Seriously.

[bigdub257]

Death by a thousand cuts. 

[actionshooter]

 We didn't know how good we had it...

[Ridgerunner]

Not only are permit levels higher but applicants are significantly lower as well.

[muleyslayer]

Bethel had 120 bull tags, now we have a proposal of 9 🤦‍♂️

[bigmacc]

Like I’ve always said, there was a time I would put this state up against any as far as opportunity and quality for mule deer. Then in the mid 90,s we lost our Game Department AND a new agency was formed that looks at predators being more important than our deer and elk herds. In fact those herds are no longer “managed” for hunters, they are managed as a food source for cougars, bears and wolves now. If our deer, elk and moose numbers continue to drop, it’s we as hunters that will loose opportunity and our hunting to make sure there are enough for the darlings of  the WDFW, cougars, bears and wolves.

It’s strange, I’m down in Arizona right now for spring training, the wife and I were talking to a forest service guy while out hiking around the Salt River area, looking for wild horses. He said cougars were “putting the smack down on the babies” , he added that the cougars would be thinned, aggressively (his words). Other states look at predators much differently, even when it comes to wild horses let alone deer and elk. It’s shameful what the state of Washington has done to its once historic deer and elk herds, mostly all in the name of political agendas……My opinions.

[Mtnwalker]

Bethel had 120 bull tags, now we have a proposal of 9 🤦‍♂️

Yep, pretty unreal. Goose Prairie went from 465 bull tags down to 17 total, A 96% reduction. I don't know how the department defends these numbers with a straight face, either it demonstrates complete ineptitude in their own science and management, or it shows that they are removing heaps of opportunity with no justification. Either way it should be some major egg on their face but they hardly bat an eye when it gets brought up.

[emac]

@emac how about one from 1974, crummy photo from my phone.

Now that is something special!!!   Love it

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[emac]

A blast from the past.

Can you do this with elk?

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Here are the first two pages.

Thank you

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[steeleywhopper]

It is pretty clear we need a new entity to manage our fish and wildlife. WDFW has proven to be an epic failure and now has taken the road of the anti-hunter.

[bigmacc]

It is pretty clear we need a new entity to manage our fish and wildlife. WDFW has proven to be an epic failure and now has taken the road of the anti-hunter.

IMHO, it’s all working out exactly as they planned. WDFW is just an extension and implementer of this state’s political agendas involving our hunting and the future of hunting. If it was really about the health of our herds and putting forth good opportunity and quality for hunters the predator issue would have been addressed decades ago. As said, they (WDFW)are just another political tool in this state.

[CarbonHunter]

Back in the early 2000’s I had an opportunity to move to Idaho and my thought process was I really liked where and who I hunted with. Not long ago I was thinking “what the heck was I thinking?”  Seeing these regs and remembering how much opportunity we had just a generation ago I know why I didn’t move. Mostly because jobs paid so much more in Washington but today I would give up the pay for the hunting in Idaho.

[huntnphool]

Not only are permit levels higher but applicants are significantly lower as well.

 What were the general season dates?

[dvolmer]

Back in the early 2000’s I had an opportunity to move to Idaho and my thought process was I really liked where and who I hunted with. Not long ago I was thinking “what the heck was I thinking?”  Seeing these regs and remembering how much opportunity we had just a generation ago I know why I didn’t move. Mostly because jobs paid so much more in Washington but today I would give up the pay for the hunting in Idaho.

Idaho is only 15-20 years behind us. It’s coming for all the states. Some faster and some slower.  Colorado and Oregon will be next to fall. Wyoming will be last but it’s coming to all.

[TriggerMike]

There were 90 rut permits for deer in umtanum!?!?! Wtf! 2001 was the year I got my orange card and first deer.

[TriggerMike]

@emac how about one from 1974, crummy photo from my phone.

Do you have a picture of the next page by chance? Or any other pages.

[Ridgerunner]

I think if a guy turned up this data from the early 90's minds would be blown.  I remember reading an article in the early 90's, before the point system, about hunting the yakima area units for deer during the rut but you had to draw a permit, odds were one in 3, or one in 4, like 100 permits and 300-400 applicants. 

Back in the days before the internet with green postcards you waited to show up in the mail the first week of August.  Ah the good old days......

[vandeman17]

I think if a guy turned up this data from the early 90's minds would be blown.  I remember reading an article in the early 90's, before the point system, about hunting the yakima area units for deer during the rut but you had to draw a permit, odds were one in 3, or one in 4, like 100 permits and 300-400 applicants. 

Back in the days before the internet with green postcards you waited to show up in the mail the first week of August.  Ah the good old days......

I vividly rememeber my first few years of hunting and my old man waiting for the postcard to show up in the mail. I remember when he drew his goat tag and seeing the look on his face

[dvolmer]

I think if a guy turned up this data from the early 90's minds would be blown.  I remember reading an article in the early 90's, before the point system, about hunting the yakima area units for deer during the rut but you had to draw a permit, odds were one in 3, or one in 4, like 100 permits and 300-400 applicants. 

Back in the days before the internet with green postcards you waited to show up in the mail the first week of August.  Ah the good old days......
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I vividly rememeber my first few years of hunting and my old man waiting for the postcard to show up in the mail. I remember when he drew his goat tag and seeing the look on his face

That’s a sweet memory I bet!

[NOCK NOCK]

Back in the early 2000’s I had an opportunity to move to Idaho and my thought process was I really liked where and who I hunted with. Not long ago I was thinking “what the heck was I thinking?”  Seeing these regs and remembering how much opportunity we had just a generation ago I know why I didn’t move. Mostly because jobs paid so much more in Washington but today I would give up the pay for the hunting in Idaho.

Idaho is only 15-20 years behind us. It’s coming for all the states. Some faster and some slower.  Colorado and Oregon will be next to fall. Wyoming will be last but it’s coming to all.

THIS! 


PS, I think most forget there was a lot less human population back then too. Yes, WDFW has not managed well, but it is foolish at best to believe human population/growth has not made a HUGE impact on ungulates, and our sport.

As an example, I started bow hunting long before it was a popular thing (Bear whitetail hunter was THE bow to have lol). Very rarely did you see another hunter. Currently, take a drive into a popular hunting area during archery season (Colockum/Swakane area) hunters everywhere.

[Mtnwalker]

Back in the early 2000’s I had an opportunity to move to Idaho and my thought process was I really liked where and who I hunted with. Not long ago I was thinking “what the heck was I thinking?”  Seeing these regs and remembering how much opportunity we had just a generation ago I know why I didn’t move. Mostly because jobs paid so much more in Washington but today I would give up the pay for the hunting in Idaho.

Idaho is only 15-20 years behind us. It’s coming for all the states. Some faster and some slower.  Colorado and Oregon will be next to fall. Wyoming will be last but it’s coming to all.

THIS! 


PS, I think most forget there was a lot less human population back then too. Yes, WDFW has not managed well, but it is foolish at best to believe human population/growth has not made a HUGE impact on ungulates, and our sport.

As an example, I started bow hunting long before it was a popular thing (Bear whitetail hunter was THE bow to have lol). Very rarely did you see another hunter. Currently, take a drive into a popular hunting area during archery season (Colockum/Swakane area) hunters everywhere.

No doubt humans have had a huge impact on game species. Recreational pressure, vehicle mortality, filling wintering ground full of vacation homes. We're not living in Yellowstone that's for sure. Mule deer have it pretty rough these days and we've affected every aspect of their existence. Which is why its absolutely ridiculous to think that the "hands off, let nature balance itself" theory is still applicable or viable. It is our duty to mitigate predator pressure in response to all of this, we are well beyond letting nature sort itself out.

[Dan-o]

Back in the early 2000’s I had an opportunity to move to Idaho and my thought process was I really liked where and who I hunted with. Not long ago I was thinking “what the heck was I thinking?”  Seeing these regs and remembering how much opportunity we had just a generation ago I know why I didn’t move. Mostly because jobs paid so much more in Washington but today I would give up the pay for the hunting in Idaho.

Idaho is only 15-20 years behind us. It’s coming for all the states. Some faster and some slower.  Colorado and Oregon will be next to fall. Wyoming will be last but it’s coming to all.

THIS! 


PS, I think most forget there was a lot less human population back then too. Yes, WDFW has not managed well, but it is foolish at best to believe human population/growth has not made a HUGE impact on ungulates, and our sport.

As an example, I started bow hunting long before it was a popular thing (Bear whitetail hunter was THE bow to have lol). Very rarely did you see another hunter. Currently, take a drive into a popular hunting area during archery season (Colockum/Swakane area) hunters everywhere.

No doubt humans have had a huge impact on game species. Recreational pressure, vehicle mortality, filling wintering ground full of vacation homes. We're not living in Yellowstone that's for sure. Mule deer have it pretty rough these days and we've affected every aspect of their existence. Which is why its absolutely ridiculous to think that the "hands off, let nature balance itself" theory is still applicable or viable. It is our duty to mitigate predator pressure in response to all of this, we are well beyond letting nature sort itself out.

Agreed.

Besides, we ARE part of nature.
Our impacts, positive and negative, are just part of the whole picture.

[CarbonHunter]

Back in the early 2000’s I had an opportunity to move to Idaho and my thought process was I really liked where and who I hunted with. Not long ago I was thinking “what the heck was I thinking?”  Seeing these regs and remembering how much opportunity we had just a generation ago I know why I didn’t move. Mostly because jobs paid so much more in Washington but today I would give up the pay for the hunting in Idaho.

Idaho is only 15-20 years behind us. It’s coming for all the states. Some faster and some slower.  Colorado and Oregon will be next to fall. Wyoming will be last but it’s coming to all.

THIS! 


PS, I think most forget there was a lot less human population back then too. Yes, WDFW has not managed well, but it is foolish at best to believe human population/growth has not made a HUGE impact on ungulates, and our sport.

As an example, I started bow hunting long before it was a popular thing (Bear whitetail hunter was THE bow to have lol). Very rarely did you see another hunter. Currently, take a drive into a popular hunting area during archery season (Colockum/Swakane area) hunters everywhere.

No doubt humans have had a huge impact on game species. Recreational pressure, vehicle mortality, filling wintering ground full of vacation homes. We're not living in Yellowstone that's for sure. Mule deer have it pretty rough these days and we've affected every aspect of their existence. Which is why its absolutely ridiculous to think that the "hands off, let nature balance itself" theory is still applicable or viable. It is our duty to mitigate predator pressure in response to all of this, we are well beyond letting nature sort itself out.

This is fact. We used to rarely see a motorcycle in Little Naches in October and there was also a green dot system that shut roads down to reduce pressure on animals. Couple that with the abrupt halt to logging in the 90’s that lead to the reduction of habitat for the animals by the late 2000’s, which was then followed by the lice…

It’s amazing to think of how much went wrong in the last 20 years that lead to where we are today and everything we experienced is hitting the other states as well.

[Karl Blanchard]

Can't forget about 100,000's of thousands of acres of good habit lost to fires and replaced with CHEAT GRASS. UT and ID have started really studying the effects of cheat grass on mule deer and its not good. There's some fixes but it's not cheap. WA does essentially zilch when it comes to habitat restoration.  Fire burns up winter brows, we just let it go to cheat. Instead of planting sage and native grasses we just wait for mother nature to hopefully do it in 100 years or so. At least we can still complain about not baiting bears though. That seems to be helping 🤦‍♂️

[highcountry_hunter]

Can't forget about 100,000's of thousands of acres of good habit lost to fires and replaced with CHEAT GRASS. UT and ID have started really studying the effects of cheat grass on mule deer and its not good. There's some fixes but it's not cheap. WA does essentially zilch when it comes to habitat restoration.  Fire burns up winter brows, we just let it go to cheat. Instead of planting sage and native grasses we just wait for mother nature to hopefully do it in 100 years or so. At least we can still complain about not baiting bears though. That seems to be helping

Another thing that baffles me about our wildfires is the lack of salvage sales afterwords. The Colville tribe and private landowners start salvage logging full force while the stumps are still smoking and they don’t stop until the mills tell them the logs are too far gone.

On logging pages and in loggers world magazine I read about salvage sales on forest service and state land in other states that go on for years. Even Cali frickin fornia being one of them! Yet for some reason salvage sales in Washington on federal and state land are few and far between.

The result? 5 years after the burn is the worst blowdown nightmare you can imagine that no animal in its right mind would willingly go into.


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