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Re: WDFW Commissioners back on the gas
« Reply #30 on: March 08, 2024, 12:20:44 PM »
Most of you have no idea who Joe Buster is. He is a remarkable young fella who "lived fishing".
He had a few challenges but if you had the time to listen to him he could tell you anything or everything about his equipment. I would see him standing at a bus stop waiting to catch the bus to fish Riverfront park.
Here's a little story about the day he became a celebrity.

 https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2011/aug/16/rare-pike-bites-teens-line-in-city/


Rare pike bites teen’s line in city
Crowd gathers, three men help in a half-hour battle

Tue., Aug. 16, 2011
 
By Rich Landers
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Joe Buster, of Spokane, landed this northern pike in Riverfront Park across from the Looff Carrousel while fishing for trout on Saturday, Aug. 13, 2011 -- two days before his 18th birthday. He said the fish measured 42 inches long.  (Courtesy Buster / The Spokesman-Review)
Joe Buster, of Spokane, landed this northern pike in Riverfront Park across from the Looff Carrousel while fishing for trout on Saturday, Aug. 13, 2011 -- two days before his 18th birthday. He said the fish measured 42 inches long. (Courtesy Buster / The Spokesman-Review)
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While little kids were reaching for the golden ring Saturday at the Looff Carrousel, a Spokane teenager hooked the fish of his dreams just outside the door in Riverfront Park.

Joe Buster rides the city bus regularly to fish the Howard Street section of the Spokane River and rarely gets much attention from passers-by as he casts for the occasional foot-long trout or bass.

But he rose to rock-star status after a 42-inch-long northern pike smacked his Mepps Agilia spinner and torpedoed across the pool.

“I was shocked, amazed, bewildered and the next thing I knew my reel was running out line and people were standing all around wondering what the heck it was,” he said.

“I recognized it was not a trout.”

Northern pike, a non-native species, are not common to the Spokane River west of Idaho, although they’re known to wash downstream occasionally from Lake Coeur d’Alene.

Washington’s state record pike, weighing 34 pounds, was caught in Long Lake by local angler Bryan McMannis in 2004.

But catching one in the Spokane River is rare, and the angler didn’t talk if a big one ever was caught in Riverfront Park.

Buster said he cast into the area after seeing baitfish scatter “like bats out of heck” as he scouted from the park footbridge.

“I thought I had located a bass,” he said.

He cast and retrieved the lure and was ready to cast again when the giant fish shot out of the shadows just 10 feet from the end of his rod.

Pike are voracious predators with a rack of teeth that can render an angler’s hand into Hamburger Helper.

“I knew I had to be very, very careful,” Buster said, noting that he was battling a fish of 15-20 pounds on line rated to 12 pounds of strength.

“Two guys came down and got in the water to help me land the fish when I finally reeled it into shore, but it bolted and made another sudden run – and then another after that.”

The contest lasted about 30 minutes.

“There were people gathered on the park grass and lined up on the bridge watching this go down,” Buster said.

By that time, another regular park angler – Buster knows him only as George – was in the water with the other men to help bring Buster’s behemoth ashore.

A bystander took the angler’s cell phone and snapped a photo, which Buster immediately emailed to Pete Roundy, the General Store clerk who helps him rig up his fishing tackle.

“I couldn’t believe it until I saw the picture,” Roundy said. “I was tickled for him.”

“It may not be a state record,” Buster said, “but it broke my own record by a long shoe – and just two days before my 18th birthday to boot.

“It took all my strength to lift it up high,” he recalled Monday, clearly relishing the chance to re-live the moment. “It’s twice as big as anything I’ve ever caught. I was already getting anxious to take it home and eat it.”

Somebody helped him with the unsavory and bloody task of dispatching the lunker and removing the hook in front of a large crowd of gawkers in shorts and flip-flops.

Then reality sunk in. The hand cooler Buster brings to the river is 14 inches wide.

“I started heading to the bus stop to take the fish home when I realized that probably wasn’t a good idea,” he said.

“I looked at George and said, ‘If you can take it and smoke it, I’ll give you half.’”

George was in a much better position to go three miles in the 85-degree heat with a 3  ½ foot-long fish oozing with slime and various body fluids.

“He had his bicycle,” Buster said.


While most of the flow doesn't look like pike water the backwater above the dam avista has there are some slow moving sections that could harbor a few.

And for the record I do favor making a choice for east or west. Just because you own property on both sides of the state you need to make a choice.
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Re: WDFW Commissioners back on the gas
« Reply #31 on: March 08, 2024, 12:57:17 PM »
No part of me believes the petition from this hunting group has anything to do with increasing herd numbers. They want to decrease the amount of hunters in the NE corner so there's less competition for them and in doing so will give the antis a huge win and likely momentum to take more. These guys are cutting off their nose to spite their face and I believe it's selfish and will harm our cause.

That group also lobbied for a second bear tag and has been lobbying to increase the take of cougars with a system like is done in the panhandle of Idaho. They were also the ones that got the APR changed to 4 point. Seems like they are trying to make positive changes since the founding of their group 30 years ago. They’ve been going to the commission meetings and participating while the majority of us have been sitting idle. I doubt if this passes that it will really effect many peoples ability to hunt deer.

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Re: WDFW Commissioners back on the gas
« Reply #32 on: March 08, 2024, 01:19:14 PM »
No part of me believes the petition from this hunting group has anything to do with increasing herd numbers. They want to decrease the amount of hunters in the NE corner so there's less competition for them and in doing so will give the antis a huge win and likely momentum to take more. These guys are cutting off their nose to spite their face and I believe it's selfish and will harm our cause.

That group also lobbied for a second bear tag and has been lobbying to increase the take of cougars with a system like is done in the panhandle of Idaho. They were also the ones that got the APR changed to 4 point. Seems like they are trying to make positive changes since the founding of their group 30 years ago. They’ve been going to the commission meetings and participating while the majority of us have been sitting idle. I doubt if this passes that it will really effect many peoples ability to hunt deer.

I am not trying to disparage them, I am glad they are on our team overall. Just because they are on our team doesn't mean all of their proposals are gospel.

I come up with all sorts of stupid ideas all the time.

I can think of countless times I have supported something in the past that in hindsight was not a net positive.
You will never shoot a camp bull by spending all your time hunting in the woods.

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Re: WDFW Commissioners back on the gas
« Reply #33 on: March 08, 2024, 03:34:40 PM »
No part of me believes the petition from this hunting group has anything to do with increasing herd numbers. They want to decrease the amount of hunters in the NE corner so there's less competition for them and in doing so will give the antis a huge win and likely momentum to take more. These guys are cutting off their nose to spite their face and I believe it's selfish and will harm our cause.

That group also lobbied for a second bear tag and has been lobbying to increase the take of cougars with a system like is done in the panhandle of Idaho. They were also the ones that got the APR changed to 4 point. Seems like they are trying to make positive changes since the founding of their group 30 years ago. They’ve been going to the commission meetings and participating while the majority of us have been sitting idle. I doubt if this passes that it will really effect many peoples ability to hunt deer.

I am not trying to disparage them, I am glad they are on our team overall. Just because they are on our team doesn't mean all of their proposals are gospel.

I come up with all sorts of stupid ideas all the time.

I can think of countless times I have supported something in the past that in hindsight was not a net positive.

It works well for elk it is the step in the right direction to help our mule deer and white tail herds IMO. It’s not going to hurt deer hunting anymore than what we currently have.

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Re: WDFW Commissioners back on the gas
« Reply #34 on: March 08, 2024, 08:41:29 PM »
You’re kidding me right Hugh? I don’t have much skin in the game but this will not help the deer herds east! It’ll probably help the deer herds west more when more deer hunters choose east to hunt. The guys that hunt the west side only will stick with the west. Those that hunt both sides will most likely choose east. And just watch if this passes, the wdfw will increase the number of multi season permits and allow those tag holders to hunt both sides and collect the extra money to put in the general fund! I can’t be the only one that sees this as a reduced opportunity for hunters while collecting more money to feed the wolves, cougars and grizzly bears!
Shut up and Hunt!

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Re: WDFW Commissioners back on the gas
« Reply #35 on: March 08, 2024, 09:16:30 PM »
Do I think a lot of people will choose to hunt the east side yes of course they will. I think it has worked well to reduce pressure on our elk herds, if not you’d get guys putting in for east side permits and hunting the Westside for branch bulls. What I’m thinking as a step in the right direction is give the east/west choice a try and see how it pans out and if it doesn’t have the desired results I think they should go to choose a species to try and reduce some pressure. I know a lot of guys that hunt Mule deer and black tails. I imagine you might be in that camp as well. I believe a lot of the guys that are going to be opposed to this change are mostly from western Washington, while you’ll find broad support from those of us on the eastern side.

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Re: WDFW Commissioners back on the gas
« Reply #36 on: March 09, 2024, 07:59:57 AM »
Actually haven’t hunted mule deer in WA in probably 6 or 7 years! I just see the writing on the wall and you mentioned it. First it will be east or west, then species and after that permit only. Instead of addressing the predator, winter range and permit doe harvest we’ll just remove opportunity during general seasons. Do you think once it heads down that road they’ll actually turn the bus around even if there are herd improvements? Nope just sell more permits for more money that they are pissing away! Someone said it above, drop this and focus on what the real agenda of the commission is!
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Re: WDFW Commissioners back on the gas
« Reply #37 on: March 09, 2024, 08:28:14 AM »
No part of me believes the petition from this hunting group has anything to do with increasing herd numbers. They want to decrease the amount of hunters in the NE corner so there's less competition for them and in doing so will give the antis a huge win and likely momentum to take more. These guys are cutting off their nose to spite their face and I believe it's selfish and will harm our cause.

Some bold assumptions about average joes who care about a herd. They also spend a lot of time and energy on predator management (for whatever it's worth) and have put their money where their mouth is more than a few times.

Disagreeing with them on a topic or two doesn't mean they are spiteful belligerents.
Kindly do not attempt to cloud the issue with too many facts.

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Re: WDFW Commissioners back on the gas
« Reply #38 on: March 09, 2024, 09:42:27 AM »
No part of me believes the petition from this hunting group has anything to do with increasing herd numbers. They want to decrease the amount of hunters in the NE corner so there's less competition for them and in doing so will give the antis a huge win and likely momentum to take more. These guys are cutting off their nose to spite their face and I believe it's selfish and will harm our cause.


Go to one of their meetings and see and meet the "guys", and you will leave with a far different opinion of these "guys" who live here with the deer, have their entire lives, and are mostly older and far past their hunting prime (like myself).  They care about the deer first, and only want to stop the decline that is gaining speed.

The "less competition for them" is actually funny if you know them.

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Re: WDFW Commissioners back on the gas
« Reply #39 on: March 09, 2024, 10:15:09 AM »
Actually haven’t hunted mule deer in WA in probably 6 or 7 years! I just see the writing on the wall and you mentioned it. First it will be east or west, then species and after that permit only. Instead of addressing the predator, winter range and permit doe harvest we’ll just remove opportunity during general seasons. Do you think once it heads down that road they’ll actually turn the bus around even if there are herd improvements? Nope just sell more permits for more money that they are pissing away! Someone said it above, drop this and focus on what the real agenda of the commission is!

I think the writing is on the wall is inevitable that they will split the state, or go to specie specific or permit or quota system to help our struggling deer herds. The whole idea of splitting the state for deer season is coming from hunters by the way. They also were the same people that pushed for a second bear tag state wide that the anti hunters are crying about. Make your voice heard through an email on this and about cougars they’ll be making a decision on. Your points are valid but I am a bit more optimistic about the future and getting opportunity back. I think what this commission has done is getting more and more sportsmen involved and engaged and as long as that keeps growing we’re going to be in good shape in the future. The anti hunters who speak at the commission meetings are always the same folks and for the most part are always the anti hunting organization heads.

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Re: WDFW Commissioners back on the gas
« Reply #40 on: March 09, 2024, 10:57:14 AM »
I applaud your optimism! If we’re going to go through all of this just jump to the permit only option! I would support that more than splitting the state. At least that wouldn’t be as much of a money grab. I appreciate your opinion and know you want right for the herds, I’m just trying to point out what is being ignored as repercussions / complications to east/west! Permit only is the only viable option I see as lowering pressure on the herds.
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Re: WDFW Commissioners back on the gas
« Reply #41 on: March 09, 2024, 11:08:32 AM »
The Yakima elk herd is 10x healthier than our deer herds could ever hope to be and look at how much opportunity we’re getting there. Sign of what’s coming if this is the direction that things go

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« Reply #42 on: March 09, 2024, 12:16:38 PM »
The Yakima elk herd is 10x healthier than our deer herds could ever hope to be and look at how much opportunity we’re getting there. Sign of what’s coming if this is the direction that things go

I agree and I think lots of others do as well. This is where we need sportsman engaging the WDFW and the commission to get our opportunity back.

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Re: WDFW Commissioners back on the gas
« Reply #43 on: March 09, 2024, 12:32:13 PM »
What's next? Spike only or true spike deer? I presently hunt both sides but if left with only one choice it will be eastside mule deer and spend the time I would hunt on the westside over on the eastside.

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Re: WDFW Commissioners back on the gas
« Reply #44 on: March 09, 2024, 12:52:54 PM »
Sportsmen and women have been "engaging" wdfw and its affiliates for as long as I can remember about one thing or another.  No amount of politeness or political correctness in letters or messages has done one iota of good for the big picture.  Persuit of the agenda has not been compromised by those that desire to end hunting.  So all the encouragement to join and spend and send letters and e-mails and make phone calls is bigger than ever, yet here we are.

Im not surprised. 

 


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