Didn't draw again 🤣

[BA Mongor]

The only item I haven't ever changed is my #1 choice for Quality Deer: Desert B Modern - I dream of that hunt!
I changed this year and put in a 2nd choice: Chewuch Modern.

Oh well, and whoever did draw something...congratulations.

[dvolmer]

The real joke isn’t not getting drawn. The real joke, is when you do actually draw the tag of your dreams that took you eons to draw and you realize the hunting has went to crap and you just waited/wasted 15 to 30 years for nothing.  You then will come to the conclusion that you could have went on a general hunt in Wyoming or Montana and had a better experience.

[Boss .300 winmag]

The real joke isn’t not getting drawn. The real joke, is when you do actually draw the tag of your dreams that took you eons to draw and you realize the hunting has went to crap and you just waited/wasted 15 to 30 years for nothing.  You then will come to the conclusion that you could have went on a general hunt in Wyoming or Montana and had a better experience.

Yep, but I drew my QT deer.🤣

[dvolmer]

The real joke isn’t not getting drawn. The real joke, is when you do actually draw the tag of your dreams that took you eons to draw and you realize the hunting has went to crap and you just waited/wasted 15 to 30 years for nothing.  You then will come to the conclusion that you could have went on a general hunt in Wyoming or Montana and had a better experience.

Yep, but I drew my QT deer.🤣.

I hope it has a teaspoon full of quality left in it.  All those units aren’t the same today as they were when you started buying points all those years ago.

[idahohuntr]

The real joke isn’t not getting drawn. The real joke, is when you do actually draw the tag of your dreams that took you eons to draw and you realize the hunting has went to crap and you just waited/wasted 15 to 30 years for nothing.  You then will come to the conclusion that you could have went on a general hunt in Wyoming or Montana and had a better experience.

To be fair - a) applying/drawing a WA tag isn't mutually exclusive to hunting other states b) hunting (with few exceptions) has gone to crap in most states/areas relative to 15-30 years ago and c) there are still hunts/tags in WA where trophy quality or awesome experiences rank very high...even if less than many years ago. 

That said - I drew nothing -glad I have MT and ID tags to fall back on.

[huntnnw]

problem is guys have all these points and putting in for super hard to draw tags then think I have all these points I will put in for easier unit to draw. You gotta apply every year for the same unit if you wanna draw a easier unit.

[Alan K]

The real joke isn’t not getting drawn. The real joke, is when you do actually draw the tag of your dreams that took you eons to draw and you realize the hunting has went to crap and you just waited/wasted 15 to 30 years for nothing.  You then will come to the conclusion that you could have went on a general hunt in Wyoming or Montana and had a better experience.

 

[trophyhunt]

Ever since I had 13 points I thought I was gonna draw for bull elk, not a super tag by any means.  One of the years when I had 20 points I was a witness and was the first loser, one away.  With 28 points last year, same bull catagory muzzy, I was around 1,400+/- away from drawing a tag.  This year, went east side archery quality, nothing.  People get tired of me complaining, I hear and see it on here, I get it, listening to people complain gets old.  But man this system sucks. I like Wyomings, or No points like Idaho.  If we had a game commission that gave a crap, and a mind set for predator control, we’d have the best elk hunting in the country, we’d have 150 tags in the little Natches like before and not 8.  Nothing will increase odds enough to give us a high point holders a big enough advantage.  Maybe cubing points after 20-25, that would give us waaay more chances to draw a low number.  Without changing the mind set of the commisioners or trying a cubed system, it will only get worse.  Prob couldn’t even draw a crappy toutle tag in a few years.  But hey, I’ll have 30 points next year, it’s gonna happen for sure……….🤮🤮🤮

[outdooraddict]

I hate the category situation, it makes it that much harder to draw, because the competition to draw is exponentially increased. when you had to choose 4 categories for deer and 4 categories for elk, it was a different game you couldn't put in for multiple antler and multiple antlerless tags.  i think the categories ruined the draw system in this state. go back to 4 choices for each animal and that's your selection.  less names in the hat that way and people would be drawing tags, now you can draw multiple tags for the same species.  I know though, the amount of money they made by doing it this way is huge, and the amount of money they would lose is huge. IMO, there is no logical wildlife management or reason to do a category system.

[trophyhunt]

Agree, but we all know, they’ll never make that change due to the loss of revenue. Even though, it would increase odds in a big way for a lot of units. 

[Romulus]

Guys, you think you dont like the system but the fact is you dont like not drawing.........doesnt matter what system you use when you have this many applicants and this few tags.........if any of you has ever drawn a decent tag you already beat the odds and you should never draw a tag again based on the numbers. I put in every year for 7 family members and most years all I see is not selected across the board but there are no easy draws put in for.  My dad has 34 points for quality elk and 20 plus points in the other categories but the odds say he will never sniff a tag. If there were no points there would still be people who put in the first year and drew something and others who put in their whole life and got nothing. The only way odds could get better would be to increase the cost to apply significantly but many would bitch about that.  My family and friends group has put in for the past 40-50 years and over time we have been rewarded with several great tags and many, many years of blanks for all.  None of you deserve a tag, nor do I, but if you keep putting in year after year many of you will draw something, and many more may not. Its the yearly frustration of the guy with 22 points who is bitching about the kid with 7 points who drew that makes me write something.  You had a better chance to draw than he did....but it was much more likely that one of those many people who had 7,8,9,10 points drew the tag than you because there were 60 of them or 160 of them.  Its disappointing, but it is fair.

Good luck next year!!

[Rainier10]

Guys, you think you dont like the system but the fact is you dont like not drawing.........doesnt matter what system you use when you have this many applicants and this few tags.........if any of you has ever drawn a decent tag you already beat the odds and you should never draw a tag again based on the numbers. I put in every year for 7 family members and most years all I see is not selected across the board but there are no easy draws put in for.  My dad has 34 points for quality elk and 20 plus points in the other categories but the odds say he will never sniff a tag. If there were no points there would still be people who put in the first year and drew something and others who put in their whole life and got nothing. The only way odds could get better would be to increase the cost to apply significantly but many would bitch about that.  My family and friends group has put in for the past 40-50 years and over time we have been rewarded with several great tags and many, many years of blanks for all.  None of you deserve a tag, nor do I, but if you keep putting in year after year many of you will draw something, and many more may not. Its the yearly frustration of the guy with 22 points who is bitching about the kid with 7 points who drew that makes me write something.  You had a better chance to draw than he did....but it was much more likely that one of those many people who had 7,8,9,10 points drew the tag than you because there were 60 of them or 160 of them.  Its disappointing, but it is fair.

Good luck next year!!

[MeepDog]

If you have 34 points and put in for a crappy tag, you're probably gonna draw it.

[Mtnwalker]

Guys, you think you dont like the system but the fact is you dont like not drawing.........doesnt matter what system you use when you have this many applicants and this few tags.........if any of you has ever drawn a decent tag you already beat the odds and you should never draw a tag again based on the numbers. I put in every year for 7 family members and most years all I see is not selected across the board but there are no easy draws put in for.  My dad has 34 points for quality elk and 20 plus points in the other categories but the odds say he will never sniff a tag. If there were no points there would still be people who put in the first year and drew something and others who put in their whole life and got nothing. The only way odds could get better would be to increase the cost to apply significantly but many would bitch about that.  My family and friends group has put in for the past 40-50 years and over time we have been rewarded with several great tags and many, many years of blanks for all.  None of you deserve a tag, nor do I, but if you keep putting in year after year many of you will draw something, and many more may not. Its the yearly frustration of the guy with 22 points who is bitching about the kid with 7 points who drew that makes me write something.  You had a better chance to draw than he did....but it was much more likely that one of those many people who had 7,8,9,10 points drew the tag than you because there were 60 of them or 160 of them.  Its disappointing, but it is fair.

Good luck next year!!

 

[blackveltbowhunter]

 

No game commission in the west is managing game anymore for hunter benefit. Lottery systems are checkers, preference systems are chess.

  I do think the wdfw could streamline some of this easily enough by eliminating categories and simply raising the permit app fee to cover it.