alkili bull elk permit problems.

[bigdub257]

The problem is that the closure isn't just because of "training". Its because the base commander is using the excuse that his unit is understaffed to close the base, a choice not based the public's interest. This is the kind of thing that if we had a  pro-hunting governor the problem would be solved in a day. He would call President Trump and the problem would end. Pretty easy to go over the base commander's head and get the subjective decision changed for the good of the likely Trump voting hunting public in the state.

Exactly.  My understanding of the situation is the decision was based on lack of funding for adequate/additional base personnel to monitor the logistics of public hunting on the base.  I really doubt the entire base isn't being shut down to the public because of training. There will always be training areas that affect where the public can hunt on the base. It would be nice to know how much,if any, effort was put into securing additional funding to satisfy the  the base commander's projected requirements for personnel related to monitoring public hunting. How long has WDFW known about this?  As usual, it's probably too late to do anything about it now.

[Woodchuck]

Maybe, just maybe, the base commander thinks keeping his troops trained and safe, is more important than John Q. Public being able to chase elk on his base... 

[elkslayer069]

Until there is an official email or statement from wdfw I'm not going to change a thing. I don’t want a different tag to slum around with every tom, dick, or harry spike hunting. They can remove it or issue the tag. It may open by fall. If they issue the tag and it’s closed I’ll turn it back in. That’s the risk you take with that unit every year. You could run into the same problem due to fires with almost all of the east side tags.

[trophyhunt]

Until there is an official email or statement from wdfw I'm not going to change a thing. I don’t want a different tag to slum around with every tom, dick, or harry spike hunting. They can remove it or issue the tag. It may open by fall. If they issue the tag and it’s closed I’ll turn it back in. That’s the risk you take with that unit every year. You could run into the same problem due to fires with almost all of the east side tags.

If you don’t change your tag and keep alkali as a choice, you will most definetly slow the drawing process down.  They have to check each app and make sure the alkali choices are removed and then they will not put a selection in its choice.  That is straight from WDFW permit personnel. 

[benhuntin]

Until there is an official email or statement from wdfw I'm not going to change a thing. I don’t want a different tag to slum around with every tom, dick, or harry spike hunting. They can remove it or issue the tag. It may open by fall. If they issue the tag and it’s closed I’ll turn it back in. That’s the risk you take with that unit every year. You could run into the same problem due to fires with almost all of the east side tags.

This is where I’m at for sure.


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[trophyhunt]

Until there is an official email or statement from wdfw I'm not going to change a thing. I don’t want a different tag to slum around with every tom, dick, or harry spike hunting. They can remove it or issue the tag. It may open by fall. If they issue the tag and it’s closed I’ll turn it back in. That’s the risk you take with that unit every year. You could run into the same problem due to fires with almost all of the east side tags.

This is where I’m at for sure.


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[elkslayer069]

Until there is an official email or statement from wdfw I'm not going to change a thing. I don’t want a different tag to slum around with every tom, dick, or harry spike hunting. They can remove it or issue the tag. It may open by fall. If they issue the tag and it’s closed I’ll turn it back in. That’s the risk you take with that unit every year. You could run into the same problem due to fires with almost all of the east side tags.

If you don’t change your tag and keep alkali as a choice, you will most definetly slow the drawing process down.  They have to check each app and make sure the alkali choices are removed and then they will not put a selection in its choice.  That is straight from WDFW permit personnel.

Thats ok with me. I don’t care if it takes longer as long as it’s correct. I’ll change it if Wdfw publishes the change officially but I won’t take the info third hand from someone on the internet. I fully expect a draw disaster with delays every year. Wdfw couldnt conduct a seamless draw if they wanted to. Between redraws and oh I’m sorry you actually didn’t draw that tag to oh well it’s actually this tag you drew not that one type of bs. Not that I don’t believe that you spoke with someone in the department that told you that. The Wdfw can’t decide which hand they eat with and which one they wipe with. Not everyone gets their info from this forum so regardless if everyone on this forum changed their choices it’s going to be screwed up like it or not.

[Karl Blanchard]

Until there is an official email or statement from wdfw I'm not going to change a thing. I don’t want a different tag to slum around with every tom, dick, or harry spike hunting. They can remove it or issue the tag. It may open by fall. If they issue the tag and it’s closed I’ll turn it back in. That’s the risk you take with that unit every year. You could run into the same problem due to fires with almost all of the east side tags.

If you don’t change your tag and keep alkali as a choice, you will most definetly slow the drawing process down.  They have to check each app and make sure the alkali choices are removed and then they will not put a selection in its choice.  That is straight from WDFW permit personnel.

Thats ok with me. I don’t care if it takes longer as long as it’s correct. I’ll change it if Wdfw publishes the change officially but I won’t take the info third hand from someone on the internet. I fully expect a draw disaster with delays every year. Wdfw couldnt conduct a seamless draw if they wanted to. Between redraws and oh I’m sorry you actually didn’t draw that tag to oh well it’s actually this tag you drew not that one type of bs. Not that I don’t believe that you spoke with someone in the department that told you that. The Wdfw can’t decide which hand they eat with and which one they wipe with. Not everyone gets their info from this forum so regardless if everyone on this forum changed their choices it’s going to be screwed up like it or not.

  I get the criticism but why would you intentionally leave an option on your app that isn't valid? You only get a few choices so why use one on a hunt you CANNOT hunt   Whether we like it or not, the base IS closed to all recreation and it's not opening until there's a new base commander....full stop.

Im just a few miles from the front gate and I put in for a lot of different tags out there between the kids and myself but no way I'm wasting a choice on an unhuntable hunt so I edited all of our apps for viable options. My advice is for everyone to do the same

I do agree that WDFW merely removing the hunts from being applied for is not enough. They need to put out a press release ASAP as well as removing them from already submitted applications.

[Karl Blanchard]

Update

Forgot I needed to do my nephews app as well. The overview page still shows alkali as his first choice but when I got to edit the app the first choice is blank. That spooked me so I just unsubmitted the app and resubmitted. So looks like they possibly removed them already

[elkslayer069]

For me it’s about the time frame of the hunt. I’ll be somewhere else during the other bull hunts that are available to apply for. I wont spike hunt or hunt branched bulls while the woods are slammed with spike hunters. I buy my east side elk tag knowing im not going to hunt unless i draw the units i want to hunt for branched bulls. I have an elk tag and 2 deer tags to hunt out of state that take precedence. If wdfw posts an official statement i will change my application and choose the points only option.

[bigdub257]

Until there is an official email or statement from wdfw I'm not going to change a thing. I don’t want a different tag to slum around with every tom, dick, or harry spike hunting. They can remove it or issue the tag. It may open by fall. If they issue the tag and it’s closed I’ll turn it back in. That’s the risk you take with that unit every year. You could run into the same problem due to fires with almost all of the east side tags.

If you don’t change your tag and keep alkali as a choice, you will most definetly slow the drawing process down.  They have to check each app and make sure the alkali choices are removed and then they will not put a selection in its choice.  That is straight from WDFW permit personnel.

Thats ok with me. I don’t care if it takes longer as long as it’s correct. I’ll change it if Wdfw publishes the change officially but I won’t take the info third hand from someone on the internet. I fully expect a draw disaster with delays every year. Wdfw couldnt conduct a seamless draw if they wanted to. Between redraws and oh I’m sorry you actually didn’t draw that tag to oh well it’s actually this tag you drew not that one type of bs. Not that I don’t believe that you spoke with someone in the department that told you that. The Wdfw can’t decide which hand they eat with and which one they wipe with. Not everyone gets their info from this forum so regardless if everyone on this forum changed their choices it’s going to be screwed up like it or not.

  I get the criticism but why would you intentionally leave an option on your app that isn't valid? You only get a few choices so why use one on a hunt you CANNOT hunt   Whether we like it or not, the base IS closed to all recreation and it's not opening until there's a new base commander....full stop.

Im just a few miles from the front gate and I put in for a lot of different tags out there between the kids and myself but no way I'm wasting a choice on an unhuntable hunt so I edited all of our apps for viable options. My advice is for everyone to do the same

I do agree that WDFW merely removing the hunts from being applied for is not enough. They need to put out a press release ASAP as well as removing them from already submitted applications.

What are they waiting for?  They sure send out a lot of emails regarding changes to fishing regulations! Almost daily!   

[elkrack]

Until there is an official email or statement from wdfw I'm not going to change a thing. I don’t want a different tag to slum around with every tom, dick, or harry spike hunting. They can remove it or issue the tag. It may open by fall. If they issue the tag and it’s closed I’ll turn it back in. That’s the risk you take with that unit every year. You could run into the same problem due to fires with almost all of the east side tags.

This is where I’m at for sure.


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This is either a great troll or a blockhead

[Bob33]

What are they waiting for?  They sure send out a lot of emails regarding changes to fishing regulations! Almost daily!   

Lol. If YTC had crabs or fish we’d have got at least 50 emails by now.

[Woodchuck]

What are they waiting for?  They sure send out a lot of emails regarding changes to fishing regulations! Almost daily!   

Lol. If YTC had crabs or fish we’d have got at least 50 emails by now.

I'm sure during some training cycles, crabs can be found. Just sayin.

[MMCCAULEY]

This is especially dissappointing given they just moved Alkali to the Eastern Muzzy Bull Elk category.  Now back to such limited options.