Idaho on the verge of outlawing

[EnglishSetter]

Of course there is a difference between west side black tails and Rosie’s compared to the east side.They are both very subject to  figuring out where they live and their small pattern of normal of travel is. The mention of technology with the fishing is real. Watch the utube videos of the guides fishing the B10 fishery.I watched this  year at the mouth of the Cowlitz and Lewis where I fish.

. Many of these people have purchased live scopes and whatever else is the latest and greatest. They stare at their screen and moving two cranks up or down on their reels .Technology is the death of fishing and hunting in this country. For those that keep embracing technology because it is fun, you are excellerating the demise of it all .

 Not the demise of it all, but more likely reduced opportunity with shorter seasons, smaller limits and lottery access.

[Threewolves]

So I brought it up pages ago and never got the pro cell cameras banned folks to comment on these reasons so let’s post them again for consideration.

It is already illegal to hunt animals with the aid of radio telemetry equipment.

It is already illegal to use radios to relay the location of game animals.

It is already illegal to fly a drone in the same day you hunt because it relays pictures of animals to a hunter.

Omg could you imagine if there was one piece of technology that did all 3 of those without a human operator and you get it in real time?  I wonder what that piece of technology would be called?  Sounds a lot like what a cell or satellite transmitting camera would do.

This isn’t about taking hunter rights. It’s about legal definitions catching up with technology. Currently it is legal to use them and have fun while it lasts but at the end of the day this concept has always been banned in most states… during hunting seasons on a day you hunt and that is what is being proposed. Don’t make this into something it isn’t and just look at it for what it is.

Are you saying it's illegal to use radios to give the location of game animals in Washington State or Idaho?

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[bearpaw]

I'm nearly certain they will pass the rule limiting these advancements, I just hope they include exceptions for wolf and predator hunting, we seriously need these tools available for predator hunting and trapping.

[HUNTIN4SIX]

Of course there is a difference between west side black tails and Rosie’s compared to the east side.They are both very subject to  figuring out where they live and their small pattern of normal of travel is. The mention of technology with the fishing is real. Watch the utube videos of the guides fishing the B10 fishery.I watched this  year at the mouth of the Cowlitz and Lewis where I fish.

. Many of these people have purchased live scopes and whatever else is the latest and greatest. They stare at their screen and moving two cranks up or down on their reels .Technology is the death of fishing and hunting in this country. For those that keep embracing technology because it is fun, you are excellerating the demise of it all .

Yup it’s pretty much screwed up the bass tournament world....

[NOCK NOCK]

Heck we’re 8 pages in so far and the only legitimate reason that has been provided as to why they should be allowed is for watching traps. No one else has even provided a reason for the group to consider… 

I would love for the pro cell camera side to provide a reason why I should change my stance. I’m listening.

Read Bearpaws post.

Damn good reason to change your mind......

(Not saying BP stance is Pro, or con BTW)

[Crunchy]

I just got this cell cam video.  I live in W WA this is in eastern Oregon. I keep it there year round just for stuff like this

[2MANY]

Cool video!!!

[Webfoot]

 Ban the sob's!!

[boneaddict]

I've been saying it for years what technology will do to hunting.  Here we are. I hope some of you are satisfied.  Ban em' already

[trophyhunt]

As a 90% western wa hunter, I’d like to see someone with cell camera try to sneak up on a blacktail that just appeared on their camera while they were sitting on the couch, lol.  How do you separate the advantages from one technology to another?  Cell camera, regular camera, range finders, long distance shooting, muzzy’s that shoot 300+ yards, should we ban them all? Or just pick and choose the ones “we” don’t use.   Another stupid law that I’m sure will go into effect. 

[goldenhtr]

An example of why they should be allowed  :yeah:to  You want to help hunting, kill some predators!!

I understand the importance of regulating things (believe it or not).
But I also realize that any attack on our hunting without founded data is just another attack on hunting.
My guess is some don’t, but in the near future…….i would bet it all that hunting in anyway shape or form will become illegal.

This is just another nail in the coffin. 

 

[trophyhunt]

An example of why they should be allowed  :yeah:to  You want to help hunting, kill some predators!!

I understand the importance of regulating things (believe it or not).
But I also realize that any attack on our hunting without founded data is just another attack on hunting.
My guess is some don’t, but in the near future…….i would bet it all that hunting in anyway shape or form will become illegal.

This is just another nail in the coffin. 

 

[blackveltbowhunter]

For the proponents of them, it sounds like you  are already self limiting whether by design or naivety. Personally,  I despise nearly everything about them. I have no desire to know whats in my area that I can't figure out the old fashioned way, and loathe getting caught on others cams. I try my best to avoid them, and never mess with them but dang it ticks me off to get my picture taken. 

I won't lobby to get them gone because my annoyance is not enough to take away someone's good time. However, I think its reasonable in this conversation to assume that because one person just likes to watch animals frollick in real time for entertainment. Another is likely covering multiple game trails into known bedding areas with hot does waiting for a target buck to arrive at 5am so they can be in the area at first light. Maybe a stand or adjacent clearcut or bench. If that isn't the definition of increasing your odds, then Casey Brooks only bought a solo raffle ticket as well.

They are a huge advantage in predator control. And regardless of my feelings, For that reason I do hope they stay in Washington.  The best cougar killers I know run multiple cell cams and it heavily tilts the odds of success in their favor for calling setups.

[2MANY]

They are being used by every local Tom Dick and Harry in Idaho.
Pretty gross over here in the Rockies.

[mikey549]

I earlier mentioned what I consider the demise of what we we all grew up with and love to do. My oldest hunted every day of early muzzleloader with a walk in permit in the Margaret unit. He said it was disgusting the amount of cameras he saw. Imagine how many he did not. I also consider the freedom lost to not only hunt but go out in outdoors and recreate without shelling out hundreds of dollars for just one area. Hunting was a tradition that was done yearly with friends and family. That is in serious jeopardy also. How much does a walk in hunter appreciate an orv or several come zooming by after walking a mile or so on an abandoned road or trail ? Why are the walk in units gone ? They are a large part of Idaho’s management  policy. Is the population of elk in Washington still listed at 60,000 like it was for 20 years or so by WDFW ? I don’t think so. Why do we still have either sex elk hunting in units like the Stella or Battleground? Just so the locals can grind them into oblivion? Those are some of the reasons I consider the demise of hunting in this state without even mentioning the predator fiasco !