Most overrated cartridges

[Gutpile]

I too am surprised with the 7mm mag having so many votes. I'm just not a magnum guy but the 7mm mag has always been on my "to do" list.

[bearpaw]

 
too frickin funny..................


actually bofire you are right, but loaded correctly I think you can beat the .280 by 100 to 200 fps with the 7mag. Don't get me wrong, I like the 280, I think it's the best utilization of the 06 case, there are several in my family and the barrels will last longer than the 7 mag.

I also agree with the remark that the 300 mags are the best way to go. I have the 300WM, 300 wby, 300 RUM, and 30/378. They all are deadly killers. The last two are amazingly flat shooting, but at significant loss of barrel life. I am not going to spend many days prairie dog shooting with them.....

[Bigshooter]

All I can say is    
Where did you come up with this stuff?  A .280 is not within 50 fps of a 7mag.  .280 150gr bullet gets 2900 at best more like 2850.  7mag with a 150 gets almost 3100.  With a 175 its closer to a .300 than an 06.  A 180 06 is a little more than 2800fps.  7mag with a 175 will go way well over 2900.  Anytime you do a lot of shooting with a cartridge that goes over 3000fps you will shoot the barrel out.  A couple of the worst are the .264 or the 25-06.

[bobcat]

Funny thing is I didn't even vote for the 7 Mag. I was just trying to explain why some would say it is overrated.

[bearpaw]

I think a lot of you guys forget that there are quite a bunch of huntrs who regularly shoot at 300 to 500 yards. We don't all live in the jungle, no punn intended. But at 400 yards its nice to not have to do much hold over, and very nice to have as much energy at 400 as many other guns have at 200 or 300.

[Bigshooter]

Yeah I don't think it's that people "don't like" the 7 Mag, or any of the others with high numbers of votes. The question being the "most overrated," I agree, a lot of people think the 7 Mag. is really something special, when in reality it really doesn't have much, if anything, over the 30-06.

You're kiding right?

No, not kidding. If you consider how far most people shoot their game, probably very rarely over 300 yards, the 7 Mag. does not kill any better or show any significant difference in trajectory. It's not until you get to around 400 yards where you really see any practical difference over the 30-06.

So the 7mm does or doesn't have anything on the 30-06 makeup your mind.

A couple hundred feet per second is what it has over the 30-06. Which makes it as good as the 30-06, but not significantly better. And not better at all unless you're shooting over 300 yards. Just my opinion. If you like it, use it. If not, don't.

That is a very interesting argument.  Tell me what's better a hammer or a screw driver.  I can't wait for this answer.

[jjhunter]

And, I would make a bet that the premium ammo will do it - in fact, i would be willing to waste $40 just to see.  

Do a search on factory .300 velocities.  Most will tell you 2980 or less.  Shot it through a chony with a 24 inch barrel and you will get a hair over 2900.

I rely on what my chrono tells me after 10 years and 3, 300 win mags.....I can't see new factory ammo to be that far behind?  Here is the first premium ammo I looked up (Okay, not the first, but it helps my side of the argument :

300 WIN MAG 180 GR Spire Point HEAVY MAG 8500
Velocity (fps) / Energy (ft-lbs)
Muzzle 100 yd 200 yd 300 yd 400 yd 500 yd
3100/3840 2872/3296 2655/2817 2448/2396 2251/2025 2063/1701
 
Trajectory (inches)
Muzzle 100 yd 200 yd 300 yd 400 yd 500 yd
-1.5 1.40 0.00 -6.3 -18.4 -37.4
 
That being said, you are right in the fact that custom ammo can be faster than factory.....I have not chrono'ed every brand of factory ammo (or any factory ammo for that matter), so I can't argue with you.  But, I will argue with the mentality of someone buying a .300 win mag and going with a 24" pipe and strictly shooting factory ammo?  Like putting a governor on a sports car - you buy magnum rifles for maximum capability - high performance is what you want, if not, you'd shoot a naught 6.    Too much golfing and drinking today, so if this doesn't make any sense - please disregard

[bobcat]

If I shot game regularly at 500 yards I would have a 300 Ultra Mag, not a lowly 7mm Rem. Mag.   

[Bigshooter]

And, I would make a bet that the premium ammo will do it - in fact, i would be willing to waste $40 just to see.  

Do a search on factory .300 velocities.  Most will tell you 2980 or less.  Shot it through a chony with a 24 inch barrel and you will get a hair over 2900.

I rely on what my chrono tells me after 10 years and 3, 300 win mags.....I can't see new factory ammo to be that far behind?  Here is the first premium ammo I looked up (Okay, not the first, but it helps my side of the argument :

300 WIN MAG 180 GR Spire Point HEAVY MAG 8500
Velocity (fps) / Energy (ft-lbs)
Muzzle 100 yd 200 yd 300 yd 400 yd 500 yd
3100/3840 2872/3296 2655/2817 2448/2396 2251/2025 2063/1701
 
Trajectory (inches)
Muzzle 100 yd 200 yd 300 yd 400 yd 500 yd
-1.5 1.40 0.00 -6.3 -18.4 -37.4
 
That being said, you are right in the fact that custom ammo can be faster than factory.....I have not chrono'ed every brand of factory ammo (or any factory ammo for that matter), so I can't argue with you.  But, I will argue with the mentality of someone buying a .300 win mag and going with a 24" pipe and strictly shooting factory ammo?  Like putting a governor on a sports car - you buy magnum rifles for maximum capability - high performance is what you want, if not, you'd shoot a naught 6.    Too much golfing and drinking today, so if this doesn't make any sense - please disregard

How many did you find first that said less than 3000 be honest.

[Gutpile]

A couple of the worst are the .264 or the 25-06.

NOOOOOOOO!!!!!! I Love any and all 6.5's

[Bigshooter]

A couple of the worst are the .264 or the 25-06.

NOOOOOOOO!!!!!! I Any and 6.5's

I must be missing something here what are you trying to say?

[Gutpile]

too excited go back. 

[Bigshooter]

too excited go back. 

I'm still missing it.   

[Gutpile]

Do I really need to explain? You said the worst are the .264's. I love them.

[jjhunter]

And, I would make a bet that the premium ammo will do it - in fact, i would be willing to waste $40 just to see.  

Do a search on factory .300 velocities.  Most will tell you 2980 or less.  Shot it through a chony with a 24 inch barrel and you will get a hair over 2900.

I rely on what my chrono tells me after 10 years and 3, 300 win mags.....I can't see new factory ammo to be that far behind?  Here is the first premium ammo I looked up (Okay, not the first, but it helps my side of the argument :

300 WIN MAG 180 GR Spire Point HEAVY MAG 8500
Velocity (fps) / Energy (ft-lbs)
Muzzle 100 yd 200 yd 300 yd 400 yd 500 yd
3100/3840 2872/3296 2655/2817 2448/2396 2251/2025 2063/1701
 
Trajectory (inches)
Muzzle 100 yd 200 yd 300 yd 400 yd 500 yd
-1.5 1.40 0.00 -6.3 -18.4 -37.4
 
That being said, you are right in the fact that custom ammo can be faster than factory.....I have not chrono'ed every brand of factory ammo (or any factory ammo for that matter), so I can't argue with you.  But, I will argue with the mentality of someone buying a .300 win mag and going with a 24" pipe and strictly shooting factory ammo?  Like putting a governor on a sports car - you buy magnum rifles for maximum capability - high performance is what you want, if not, you'd shoot a naught 6.    Too much golfing and drinking today, so if this doesn't make any sense - please disregard

How many did you find first that said less than 3000 be honest.

Most were 2960.......but this was the FIRST load that I found.    I went directly to the hornady website.  I also have my Reloading Manuals and my Nightforce program open......