Here's my early archery 09 bull. You can't tell by the picture, but he is suspended off the ground by those viney maples. It was really hard to get him out. I used the gutless method and trying to roll him over was impossible. I was alone and worked at it into the night and part way into the next day. I had a 1 mile pack uphill. But all the work was definetly worth it. I was the happiest fat guy on the mountain.