Oh No!

[Aneoakleaf]

If that happens, this could be the push that moves us to Oregon

[Ridgerunner]

of course its driven by $$$$$.  They desperately need more of it.  Programming that would be a nightmare I would think.

[high country]

I guess I don't understand. if they gave 200 choices the guys the get drawn still only get the hunts that are available. if you put in for the shed and have 14 points and put a cow as a choice on your draw...and get a cow, that is your tough luck. I think it would get the big strappers out of the draw pool in a hurry.

am I seeing this wrong?

[SkookumHntr]

yes your seeing it wrong. limiting your choices to say two hunts means you have to apply for the hunt you really want so your name isnt in the pot for say 8 other hunts, thus increasing draw odds.

[bobcat]

Limiting choices wouldn't always increase odds. It would increase for some permits, and decrease odds for other permits. There would still be the same number of permits and the same number of applicants, so overall the odds would stay the same. That's the way I see it anyway.

[WDFW-SUX]

Changes are coming....I hope they dont make it worse than it all ready is.

[SkookumHntr]

Limiting choices wouldn't always increase odds. It would increase for some permits, and decrease odds for other permits. There would still be the same number of permits and the same number of applicants, so overall the odds would stay the same. That's the way I see it anyway.

-Look at the draw summaries on the hunts you apply for, you will see how many tags get drawn as 3rd, 4th choices. Then you will understand how it will affect your hunts you apply for. The hunts I apply for get drawn 3rd and 4th choice all the time, Limiting choices will increase odds period! Giving 8 choices and being able to draw both Bull and cow permit both, that would be a complete disaster for are system!

[Lowedog]

If I were you guys I would just stop putting in for permit hunts.  That will show them!  Spread the word! 

[ThePascoKid]

So they'll have a redraw after all the people that draw special buck/bull permits and doe/cow tags have to choose between the two and give one back, that will take forever.  I've never understood why we can't model ours after some of these other states that seem to have their *censored* together.

[bobcat]

Limiting choices wouldn't always increase odds. It would increase for some permits, and decrease odds for other permits. There would still be the same number of permits and the same number of applicants, so overall the odds would stay the same. That's the way I see it anyway.

-Look at the draw summaries on the hunts you apply for, you will see how many tags get drawn as 3rd, 4th choices. Then you will understand how it will affect your hunts you apply for. The hunts I apply for get drawn 3rd and 4th choice all the time, Limiting choices will increase odds period!

I don't agree. Like I said, you will still have the same number of applicants and the same number of permits. Odds will not change, overall. Sure, some permits will end up with better odds, but other permits will be harder to draw. It all depends on how the change affects what people decide to apply for.

[bobcat]

I've never understood why we can't model ours after some of these other states that seem to have their *censored* together.

Our draw is modeled after Nevada's. And they seem to have their *censored* together.

[SkookumHntr]

Limiting choices wouldn't always increase odds. It would increase for some permits, and decrease odds for other permits. There would still be the same number of permits and the same number of applicants, so overall the odds would stay the same. That's the way I see it anyway.

-Look at the draw summaries on the hunts you apply for, you will see how many tags get drawn as 3rd, 4th choices. Then you will understand how it will affect your hunts you apply for. The hunts I apply for get drawn 3rd and 4th choice all the time, Limiting choices will increase odds period!

I don't agree. Like I said, you will still have the same number of applicants and the same number of permits. Odds will not change, overall. Sure, some permits will end up with better odds, but other permits will be harder to draw. It all depends on how the change affects what people decide to apply for.

Your not understanding the point of less choices, limiting choices means every hunt will have less names in the hat for them. Makes people narrow down what to apply for and gives the points system a chance to actually work.

[DOUBLELUNG]

If I were you guys I would just stop putting in for permit hunts.  That will show them!  Spread the word! 

Even better, quit buying any licenses or hunting in Washington PERIOD!  Show those greedy *censored*s and don't give them ONE THIN DIME. 

I salute your integrity and admire your stand on principal; I am inferior, so will keep hunting in WA, but will be deeply ashamed way down inside.

[SkookumHntr]

-But ya bobcat, bottem line, around the same # of permits and same # of applicants so hard to say how much benifit on draw odds it would have but less choices is less times peoples names are in the hat 

[bobcat]

Your not understanding the point of less choices, limiting choices means every hunt will have less names in the hat for them. Makes people narrow down what to apply for and gives the points system a chance to actually work.

But the point system does work. Just the way it is. As I said, sure some of the permits would have better odds, and some would not. It's just wishful thinking on your part if you think your odds will suddenly get better by decreasing the number of choices. I'm not against reducing the number of choices. I would be fine with it if we only had one choice. I just don't think that people would all of a sudden start drawing permits just because they only had one choice. Again, overall odds will remain the same. The only way to really increase the odds would be to increase the cost of applying. They could also have a 2 or 3 year waiting period after drawing a permit.