Permit Change

[huntnphool]

hunters have expressed dissatisfaction with the way the current system works.

 Typical liberal way of putting things, shouldn't it actually read "the way the current system doesn't work."

[bobcat]

That's the way I understand it from reading the WDFW information on the changes. But no I'm not sure. I don't think it should be that way. I think the antlerless pools everybody should start out at zero. That, or people should be given a choice in which pool their points go.

Thanks.

Yea, I don't like it either. Maybe I just don't understand it. What happens if you are drawn? Do you lose all points in both pools? What if you are drawn for both?

You only lose points in the pool you are drawn in. If you are drawn in both, well, then one of your permits will be wasted because you still could only have one tag. The exception would be the "2nd deer tag" permits that allow you to purchase a second tag.

[billythekidrock]

WTF is this "catagories"?

What a bunch of BS. If they are starting a new system then they need to let everyone keep their points in the "Quality" catagory but start everyone out with zero in all other catagories.

Why would they propose this garbage? I know many guys that will probably give up permits (and possibly hunting) after this.

[Curly]

There is not much wrong with the current system.  The only thing wrong is a bunch of whining going on by guys that only put in for the hardest to draw permits not getting drawn.  Occasionally a guy with 1 point gets drawn for a hard to draw permit and the guys with 14 points get all pissy. 

The thing that needs to be done is to limit the choices down to 1 choice.

[billythekidrock]

There is not much wrong with the current system.  The only thing wrong is a bunch of whining going on by guys that only put in for the hardest to draw permits not getting drawn.  Occasionally a guy with 1 point gets drawn for a hard to draw permit and the guys with 14 points get all pissy. 

The thing that needs to be done is to limit the choices down to 1 choice.

I agree....but would be willing to settle for two choices.

[Curly]

 

[Ridgerunner]

This proposal does NOTHING to the general season hunts.  Only special permit hunts.

[Crowns]

This proposal does NOTHING to the general season hunts.  Only special permit hunts.

Im sure youre posting this in regards to my previous posts. I really want to think youre right here because I wouldnt think WDFW would propose such a drastic change. Maybe I am just playing devils advocate here also but I like to take in all perspectives. My posts are based off a backed up assumption.

What hunts in our current regs could constitute as "Buck/Bull" permits and not be "Quality Hunts"? Who makes the decision to call a hunt quality or not? I am mainly a Modern Firearm hunter in the state so im going to base my opinion with Modern Firearm laws.

Deer:
Obviously, the Nov Rut Permits would qualify as being "Quality Hunts". The remainder is what? A few permits are for any deer that would normally be any buck on the westside. There can be a "Buck" Permit and an "Antlerless" Permit and you apply for what you are after, which can be both. But, like the proposal states youre still only entitled to one critter. Exception being "Second Antlerless". Keep in mind that im sure the draw odds on the current general season laws would be extremely good.

Elk:
Sept Rifle Bull Permits would be "Quality Hunts". The eastside any bull permits will likely be "Bull" permits. Why not increase the permit numbers and do away with the spike only seasons? They could also increase antlerless permit numbers as to not disappoint meat hunter. The spike season is becoming a goat show anyhow. Yes, I know that this could really hurt Washingtons trophy potential because the spike seasons have done wonders on producing big bulls. I wouldnt wish for the permit numbers to be increased by much. Just enough to fill in for the lack of the spike season. I have not hunted the westside in several years now so im not quite up to date on how the changes could apply. I also do not hunt elk in our state unless I draw a permit.

I would classify myself as a trophy hunter, so im certain this sways my opinion. Anyways, when I read the proposal and the posts on this thread, I really couldnt help but suspect a change to the general seasons. As always, just my  . Take it easy, fellow hunters. We are in for a wild ride as always, im sure.

[bobcat]

They wouldn't totally eliminate general seasons without a lot more public input and a lot more notice, which would state clearly that general seasons were being elminated. I would love for them to do away with at least the spike only elk season on the eastside, as you were saying, and issue more bull permits in the draw. But, from what "we" the hunters have been telling them, "we" want opportunity over quality, so that's what we are getting.

[huntnphool]

Please vote again, I would appreciate it if the poll was not amended this time, thanks.

[billythekidrock]

Just did.

I am really curious to see how it pans out.

[SkookumHntr]

Just voted

[Skillet]

Cool - I get to vote twice.  This is like some other elections in this state 

[huntnphool]

Cool - I get to vote twice.  This is like some other elections in this state 

LOL

[Curly]

I don't like it.

I'd like it a little bit better if they didn't allocate everyone's points across the board into all categories.  Why not just make the applicant pick where they want the points to go?  Would that make programming a lot harder?