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Used Leupold or new Redfield..?
« on: March 09, 2010, 09:32:23 PM »
This spring I restocked my dad's old .300 Mag Weatherby Mark V.  New stock, new recoil pad, etc...
Now I have to replace the scope.  I restocked the thing because it kicks like an angry buffalo, so I know I will have to put a scope on it that will handle the shock.
I have been watching used Leuoplds on Ebay and have been seeing most 3x9x40 VX1s going for about the same price as the new 3x9x40 Redfields.  I looked at the Redfield at Cabela's tonight, and liked it better than I thought I would.

What do you guys think?

(And please don't tell me to "save up and buy a Swarovski".  I know my budget, and that is not going to happen.)
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Re: Used Leupold or new Redfield..?
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2010, 09:49:16 PM »
i would get the leupold but i have never had a problem with the one redfield that i have but i am a leupold buff
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Re: Used Leupold or new Redfield..?
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2010, 11:37:50 PM »
i talk to the ceo of leupold about a month ago and he said that the guts of the new redfields are basically leupold vx1 guts. so in my personal open i would go with the redfield unless you step up to a vx2.  :twocents:

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Re: Used Leupold or new Redfield..?
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2010, 09:40:21 AM »
Try to get some objective data regarding the glass and coating for each.  I'm not overly familiar with either to be able to really make a recomendation.  If you're not dead set on Leu/Red, check out the Weaver V series scopes or the Vortex Diamondbacks.... those are pretty good values.

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Re: Used Leupold or new Redfield..?
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2010, 09:44:41 AM »
Likewise, check out the Nikon Prostaff and Monarch Scopes.  they have GREAT glass at a reasonable price.

I'm biased to Leupold if the choice is only between he two.
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Re: Used Leupold or new Redfield..?
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2010, 09:51:30 AM »
Thanks for the advice guys.  Yes, I am biased toward Leupolds, and that is really the only reason I am considering a Redfield.  I hunted last fall with a guy that had a Vortex Spotting scope, and I was not impressed.  Quality seemed to be about the same as my cheap Alpen spotter.  Incidentally, he had a Nikon Monarch Scope also, and it seemed like a nice piece of gear, but like I said, I am hung up on Leupold. 
If the Redfield has the same guts as the VX1, then maybe I would be better off with the Redfield, just because I really liked the new Accu-Reticle (or whatever they called it).

Keep the comments coming though, I am still not decided.
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Re: Used Leupold or new Redfield..?
« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2010, 09:54:15 AM »
I would spend a little extra and get the VX-II. They're a good scope at $299. Pretty much the same as the old VariX-III that used to sell for around $450.

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Re: Used Leupold or new Redfield..?
« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2010, 10:04:31 AM »
I would spend a little extra and get the VX-II. They're a good scope at $299. Pretty much the same as the old VariX-III that used to sell for around $450.

Why specifically Bobcat?  I own a 4X12X40mm VX1, and I love the scope.  What exactly makes the VXII worth the extra $150.00 that I would pay for a used VX1 or a new Redfield (which it appears is the same thing)?
Like I said, I know my budget, and quite frankly, $150 would kill one of the out-of-state tags that I was hoping put in for this year.  I save up for this stuff all year, and just don't have an extra $150 "wiggle room"...
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Re: Used Leupold or new Redfield..?
« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2010, 10:08:51 AM »
I would go to overstock.com and compare prices on the scopes you are interested in. They have tons of luopold, Nikon and lots of others at rediculous prices sometimes.  They are under Sports/hunting.  I would buy new.

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Re: Used Leupold or new Redfield..?
« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2010, 10:11:14 AM »
I would go to overstock.com and compare prices on the scopes you are interested in. They have tons of luopold, Nikon and lots of others at rediculous prices sometimes.  They are under Sports/hunting.  I would buy new.

Thanks for the tip Wapiti.  I'll check it out.
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Re: Used Leupold or new Redfield..?
« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2010, 10:22:09 AM »
The VX-II's have better lens coatings. That's the main difference. But it can be an important one. But if you're only going to spend $150, I'd probably get a new Redfield.

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Re: Used Leupold or new Redfield..?
« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2010, 10:27:11 AM »
What does the lens coating actually do (in laymen's terms)?
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Re: Used Leupold or new Redfield..?
« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2010, 10:33:51 AM »
Lens coatings let more light in so you can see better early and late in the day. This is a good for explaining the differences between Leupold scopes:



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5. What are the major differences between scope lines?

With all of the recent changes, it can be difficult to know exactly how each product will perform. Every scope Leupold produces, including the Rifleman, is fully coated (all lenses, internal and external, are coated) and utilizes glass, coatings, and optical systems of equal or better quality than the discontinued Vari-X II’s of the past. Decreased cost associated with the Rifleman line is due to increased efficiency in our production process, not from reduced quality.

To make things easier, a brief summary of our current scope lines has been compiled including the most prominent features belonging to each.

It is important to note that every lens (internal and external) in every Leupold scope is coated, but the type of coatings will vary. “Fully multicoated” indicates that each lens in an optical system is coated with multiple layers of lens coating, such as Multicoat 4. “Fully coated” indicates that each lens is coated with a single lens coating; Leupold uses magnesium fluoride. “Standard multicoated” scopes have a combination of coated lenses and multicoated lenses.

VX-7

New for 2007, the VX-7 line takes full advantage of Leupold’s 100 years of experience. The VX-7 uses ¼-MOA SpeeDial adjustments which eliminate the possibility of losing adjustment covers. DiamondCoat 2 exterior lens coatings provide the highest level of scratch resistance ever offered. Xtended Twilight internal lens coatings work to optimize the wavelengths specific to twilight conditions, making the VX-7 the best low-light scope we’ve ever produced. The use of a 4-to-1 erector system provides a larger range of magnification, making this line the ultimate scope for serious hunters.
LPS

The LPS line uses ¼-MOA, low-profile, finger-adjustable adjustments; a fast-focus eyepiece; and our DiamondCoat lens coatings to provide incredible light transmission values with the addition of remarkable scratch resistance.
VX-L®

The VX-L was new for 2006, and uses ¼-MOA or 1/8-MOA adjustments depending upon model, has a fast-focus eyepiece, and utilizes an objective lens specially shaped to allow large objective scopes to be mounted in low rings. VX-L scopes use a combination of Index Matched and DiamondCoat lens coatings as well as edge-blackened lenses to produce extremely low glare and unprecedented light transmission values.
VX-III

The VX-III line was new for 2004, and uses ¼-MOA, low-profile, finger-adjustable adjustments and a fast-focus eyepiece. VX-III’s are fully multicoated and Index Matched to ensure that each lens has the best possible coating, producing total light transmission values higher than ever seen before.
Mark 4

Beginning in 2004, all tactical scopes are included in the Mark 4 category and will have the same features as past tactical models with the addition of a fast-focus eyepiece and Index Matched lenses; there are two exceptions which include the CQ/T and 3-9x40mm PR. The CQ/T has always utilized a combination of DiamondCoat (external) and Multicoat 4 (internal) lens coatings, and the 3-9x40mm PR is fully multicoated using Multicoat 4. 2003 tactical scopes typically had fully multicoated lenses utilizing Multicoat 4.
Vari-X III

The Vari-X III line (discontinued for 2004 with introduction of VX-III) has seen little change and is still optically the same as those produced in the 90s. Vari-X III’s utilize ¼-MOA click adjustments and are fully multicoated with Multicoat 4.
VX-II

The VX-II line (2003 and older) uses a combination of Vari-X III and Vari-X II (discontinued) technology. VX-II’s also utilize ¼-MOA click adjustments, but the lens coatings are unique. The external lenses are coated with Multicoat 4 and the internal lenses are coated with magnesium fluoride.
Beginning in 2004, the VX-II line is fully multicoated and will perform comparably to the discontinued Vari-X III line.
VX-I

The VX-I also utilizes a combination of Vari-X III and Vari-X II technology, utilizing ¼-MOA friction (non-clicking) adjustments. The external lenses are multicoated and the internal lenses use magnesium fluoride.
Rifleman

Though the Rifleman line of scopes uses a different maintube (for aesthetic reasons), it is optically the same as the Vari-X II (discontinued for 2001). The adjustments are exactly the same as the Vari-X II (½-MOA friction) as are the lenses and coatings. All lenses, internal and external, are coated with magnesium fluoride. Basically, the Rifleman is a newer-looking matte finish version of the Vari-X II that helped build the Leupold reputation. It is important to note that Custom Shop options (reticle changes, target adjustment installation, etc.) are not available for the Rifleman line of scopes.
Beginning in 2005, there were changes to the fixed magnification scope lines, updating them to follow the current convention used by the VX series of scopes; all fixed magnification scopes now have an “FX” designation followed by a number indicating the combination of technologies used in that product. For example, an FX-II will have the same lens coatings and adjustments as a VX-II, an FX-III will have the same lens coatings and adjustments as the VX-III line, etc.

There was also a shift from using the term “compact" to the term “ultralight,” meaning that the FX-II 2.5x20mm Ultralight which was introduced in 2005 will be a fixed magnification scope with ¼-MOA click adjustments, fully multicoated lenses, and will have the compact eyepiece.


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Re: Used Leupold or new Redfield..?
« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2010, 10:38:21 AM »
Thanks Bobcat. 
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Re: Used Leupold or new Redfield..?
« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2010, 10:59:48 AM »
Glass coatings and such.. For that price it's tough to get two features worth holding out for. 1/4 click adjustments and fully coated lens's.  (Helps with light gathering and glare)  I lean Leupold VXII.  If the Nikon Monarch is out of reach, and the Prostaff not quite up to the requirement, then the Nikon Buckmaster is in the middle with both of those features. I have them on my son's rifles and they've taken just as much beating as my Leupold's have without issue. Light gathering is on par with the VXII's.

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