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« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2010, 04:31:30 PM »
well.....i am on the e-mail list and it seems i only get selective ones, i knew nothing of the proposed changes until about 6 weeks ago  :dunno:

I feel the same.

I get some and at other times I see them posted here and "run" to my inbox only to find out that I didn't get it. I think alot of them are random like the surveys, especially when they are asking for input.




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« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2010, 04:33:18 PM »
I think its funny when people say that the WDFW does a pretty good job considering what they have to work with.  These people I think are very optimistic and very NAIVE.  So for those people I have a question.  If the WDFW is so good then why is it that the Mule Deer in Central Washington are doing so poorly.  Why has the Colockum elk herd continued to go down hill?  If the WDFW is does such a good job then why is it that despite the fact that we have so many hunters and fisherman compared to other states the WDFW can't properly manage their budget?  If the WDFW does such a good job then why to they pay farmers to plant CRP but don't enforce the farmers to ensure that they let us hunt their property.  Why do they allow the Kapowsin Tree farm etc to charge hunters user fees?  

If the WDFW does such a great job then answer me this:  The WDFW micro-manages all of the game animals in the state of WA except one.  The one game animal they don't do anything with other than gather harvest data is the Turkey.  The turkey is by FAR the most successfull game animal to be re-introduced into WA.

 The problem is, is that our Commission is made up of people who don't know what they're doing.  They are not professional game managers.  They are not dedicated hunters, conservationists, former wildlife bio's, former Game Wardens.  Nothing they are newbies in charge of running our game management.  They are WAY, WAY , WAY over their heads.  So of course everything is going to be mismanaged.  Everything the WDFW touches is ruined.  

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When I say WDFW I mean the commission, and the GMAC.  I don't mean the bio's or the wardens.  There are some extremely professional people who are dedicated to their job and do an outstanding job especially with who they have to work for.  It is not the WDFW that is the problem it is the men and women at the top.  

Wdfw doesn't pay farmers to put their land in CRP the federal government does. And isn't the Kapowsin Tree Farm private like Weyerhauser land. Why shouldn't they be able to do what they want with their land?

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« Reply #17 on: March 30, 2010, 05:58:57 PM »
It seems like I get a couple a week... I don't know why but I don't lack notification...
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« Reply #18 on: March 30, 2010, 06:07:53 PM »
I believe I get every news release they put out, by email, but I sure don't recall anything specifically listing the changes to the special permit system. If they really wanted people's input on it they should have notified us of the proposed changes and then asked for feedback. They did not do that until February and by then it was too late. Look at all the time and money they've already had to have spent on getting this complicated new system up and running. How much more are they having to pay Outdoor Central for their services? Why not just keep the drawing as simple as possible?  Why does Washington State have to have the most complicated hunting permit system in the country?    :dunno:

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« Reply #19 on: March 30, 2010, 06:11:37 PM »
I believe I get every news release they put out, by email, but I sure don't recall anything specifically listing the changes to the special permit system. If they really wanted people's input on it they should have notified us of the proposed changes and then asked for feedback. They did not do that until February and by then it was too late. Look at all the time and money they've already had to have spent on getting this complicated new system up and running. How much more are they having to pay Outdoor Central for their services? Why not just keep the drawing as simple as possible?  Why does Washington State have to have the most complicated hunting permit system in the country?    :dunno:

I agree. I would have never "agreed" to losing the Q bull permit, or to have 7 categories for permits, or ......or ..... :bash:




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« Reply #20 on: March 30, 2010, 06:33:41 PM »
Nobody heard about this change until too late (probably anyway).  Maybe our letters will help the commissioners make the right decision and deny the special permit proposal......we'll see shortly.

They send out news releases all the time about upcoming things.........this was not in any news release until this year.  I wonder why........ :rolleyes: 
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« Reply #21 on: March 30, 2010, 06:38:29 PM »
well.....i am on the e-mail list and it seems i only get selective ones, i knew nothing of the proposed changes until about 6 weeks ago  :dunno:

That might be the problem.  It isn't list.  It's lists.
There a bunch of different subscription options.

Here's the place where you subscribe:
http://wdfw.wa.gov/lists/

The options are:
All Information

or any one of these:

News Releases & Weekender Report
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« Reply #22 on: March 30, 2010, 09:13:28 PM »
Btkr, what quality bull permit are you talking about losing?

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« Reply #23 on: March 30, 2010, 09:17:15 PM »
Btkr, what quality bull permit are you talking about losing?

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« Reply #24 on: March 31, 2010, 08:47:47 AM »
Now I wish I had saved all of my emails from the commission because I have been seeing this almost every week for some time now. I have also been seeing the topic on this site for some time.

Just a few I found on this site. It has been a topic for some time now.

January 15th
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,42946.0.html
March 5th
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,45921.msg555559.html#msg555559
March 11th
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,46307.msg559995.html#msg559995
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« Reply #25 on: March 31, 2010, 12:33:54 PM »
I don't know how many possible lists they have. From the Commission I get what they call a "News Release". From the WDFW I get what they call a "WDFW News Release".

I don't think they do such a bang-up job in that there is alot of room for improvement. As is there a lot of room for improvement for the hunters who say they didn't know what was going on. I went to the meeting last August and all around the room were displays, each stating a "problem" that they had identified based on input from both the biologists and members of the public. They had 'think-tanked' some possible solutions for each problem, usually four or five possibilities and at these meetings they asked the members of the public who showed up to give their feedback on the various so-called solutions.

I have attending these mid-summer meetings for about the past ten years running. It is no secret that they have them. After this season setting package gets rubber stamped next month in Wenatchee they will start processing the stuff they heard this year and go through the same routine this summer. If you want to get involved in it, you can.

As for deer in central Washington; stop killing does and they'll rebound. Not a popular thing, but it would help the deer population.

Aside from the tribal issue which the state is helpless in doing anything about, Colockum elk are hurting because some years back the DNR cut much of the timber that had provided escapement. And because they won't close the roads; also not popular but it would be effective.
I'd just like to remind everybody that it's about the hunting, not just the killing. In other words, it's about the total experience, the sport itself and the challenge involved. Bowhunting, done right, is a justifiable and honorable pursuit. Done for the wrong reasons, simply chalking up kills and seeking personal glory, it's taking away rather than giving back to a principled way of life that has to be experienced to be understood. G.StCharles

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« Reply #26 on: March 31, 2010, 01:12:24 PM »
Again, I am on their email list and I get all the news releases they put out. But as I said there was nothing on the big change in the permit system this year. At least nothing that revealed the drastic changes that would be made. I did know there was going to be a separate pool for antlerless permits, and I didn't think that was a real big deal. But nothing was said about the other additional pools they would be adding: youth, senior, disabled hunter, quality, master hunter, 2nd deer tag. And, nothing was known about the stupid and extremely unfair idea of putting people's points in every one of the new categories, categories in which the points hadn't been earned. This may have been talked about at a meeting but how many people actually have time to go to those meetings? They're usually on a Friday and could be anywhere in the state. The WDFW knows that very few members of the general public attends those meetings. There is no excuse for them not making the proposed changes more available for the public to see and to comment on. They have a website, all they had to do is put it on there, just like they FINALLY did this past February. Or, how about this, somebody from the WDFW could actually come on this website and post important information such as that. Or does that just make too much sense? What about the GMAC? If they represent the hunters of this state why couldn't they have gotten the word out? Don't any of them ever log on to this website? How about an article in the newspapers? So many options, but we got nothing. Except a meeting last summer that nobody knows about and very few people would be able to attend even if they did. In these modern times with the internet and other technology it's just unbelievable that they couldn't make this information available to the public sooner than 2 months before the proposal was to be officially adopted by the Fish & Wildlife Commission. I have to believe that they intentionally kept this from the public, in fact there is no doubt in my mind.

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« Reply #27 on: March 31, 2010, 04:11:14 PM »
Again, I am on their email list and I get all the news releases they put out. But as I said there was nothing on the big change in the permit system this year. At least nothing that revealed the drastic changes that would be made. I did know there was going to be a separate pool for antlerless permits, and I didn't think that was a real big deal. But nothing was said about the other additional pools they would be adding: youth, senior, disabled hunter, quality, master hunter, 2nd deer tag. And, nothing was known about the stupid and extremely unfair idea of putting people's points in every one of the new categories, categories in which the points hadn't been earned. This may have been talked about at a meeting but how many people actually have time to go to those meetings? They're usually on a Friday and could be anywhere in the state. The WDFW knows that very few members of the general public attends those meetings. There is no excuse for them not making the proposed changes more available for the public to see and to comment on. They have a website, all they had to do is put it on there, just like they FINALLY did this past February. Or, how about this, somebody from the WDFW could actually come on this website and post important information such as that. Or does that just make too much sense? What about the GMAC? If they represent the hunters of this state why couldn't they have gotten the word out? Don't any of them ever log on to this website? How about an article in the newspapers? So many options, but we got nothing. Except a meeting last summer that nobody knows about and very few people would be able to attend even if they did. In these modern times with the internet and other technology it's just unbelievable that they couldn't make this information available to the public sooner than 2 months before the proposal was to be officially adopted by the Fish & Wildlife Commission. I have to believe that they intentionally kept this from the public, in fact there is no doubt in my mind.

Absolutely! Especially about the GMAC, and I would take that a step further and include the MHAG to the list of groups that should be notifying and updating it's hunters.




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« Reply #28 on: April 01, 2010, 08:33:01 AM »
Well, in regard to improvements, at least the new director took Brittell out of Wildlife and stuck him in Lands. That is a good start.
I'd just like to remind everybody that it's about the hunting, not just the killing. In other words, it's about the total experience, the sport itself and the challenge involved. Bowhunting, done right, is a justifiable and honorable pursuit. Done for the wrong reasons, simply chalking up kills and seeking personal glory, it's taking away rather than giving back to a principled way of life that has to be experienced to be understood. G.StCharles

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« Reply #29 on: April 02, 2010, 03:29:55 PM »
It was written: "This may have been talked about at a meeting but how many people actually have time to go to those meetings? They're usually on a Friday and could be anywhere in the state."
The meeting I went to was on a week night around 6 PM in Tacoma, and that was one of about seven cities (Spokane, Vancouver, Aberdeen, Yakima, Wenatchee, etc) they held the meetings in over the course of a couple of weeks. I have also seen notices of such meetings in the city newspaper in the sports section. I am not a stauch defender of everything the WDFW does, but dang it people, you cannot have your heads in the sand and then complain that you didn't know what was going on. If you want to know what is going on, you can find out.
I'd just like to remind everybody that it's about the hunting, not just the killing. In other words, it's about the total experience, the sport itself and the challenge involved. Bowhunting, done right, is a justifiable and honorable pursuit. Done for the wrong reasons, simply chalking up kills and seeking personal glory, it's taking away rather than giving back to a principled way of life that has to be experienced to be understood. G.StCharles

 


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