The mucks will kill that bull long before you get in there. I grew up hunting in the white and it makes me sick to see how much killing those indians are doing in there, you could get lucky off the road but there is a lot of beautiful back country in this unit that you wont see the damn indians in. Take away the indian kills and leave it permit only and this would be the 2ND best elk area on the west side, first being the watershed.