Our public land rights could be in peril

[wolfbait]

Many people are going to find out that through the wolves, the control over land uses will affect their fun in the outdoors. The land control is not just about hunters and wildlife, and it's a shame it is taken so long for people to realize this. People have been so busy concentrating on the poor wolf that they did not take the time to pull the wrapping back and see what is really in the whole package. The environmentalists and those who wish to take public lands away from the people are making their move now, because before to long the wolves are going to ruin their plans by doing what wolves do, Kill anything and everything, public tide will turn against the wolves and those who have agendas will have lost their shot.

[haus]

check this goodie out, this is the kind of bill that the 'GREAT OUTDOORS INITIATIVE' is running smoke screen for.

http://holt.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=425

I'm sure you'll be all giddy about that one WC  

1. Take a look at the title "Holt Introduced Bill to Protect Wildlife Corridors: Corridors Vital to Hunting, Wildlife Industries - BULL ****!  

2. Scroll down to the bottom, look at the list of groups endorsing the bill. Every elite environmentalist group in the country! Those fkrs have sued government agencies so damn many times and made of with millions of tax payer dollars, just one of many tactics they use to get their way. They have been attacking our tradition to hunt for decades and now they want to be friends? **** off!!!   I know a steaming pile of *censored* when I see it!

It's really Divide and Conquer politics....... First you drum up this Great Outdoors Initiative to get environmental groups to work with outdoorsmen and multi-use groups like the AMA, you sell it as being a way to reconnect America to the outdoors, you make it sound as neutral and equitable as possible.......everyone jumps on the band wagon, then you slip in the environmental bills. This one in particular, guess who the target is.......the natural resource industries. What do you think will happen to private property rights inside these corridors? What do you think will happen to ranches, farms, and private timber lands inside these corridors? In turn what do you think will happen to our rural communittee's that are caught inside of these corridors? As if they haven't been beaten into a pulp already.

Once this is complete who do you think is next?

Screw them!  

[wolfbait]

GOOD JOB HAUS! Kind of brings things out in the open, don't need a spottin scope to see where things are head now, eh.  We need to turn the wolves around and head them back to Canada and then send the folks behind the wolves a one way ticket to Hell. We won't be needing any Wildlife Corridors when the wolves get done, we will be needing some wolf fencing around schools etc.

[haus]

The only way we're stopping this is through the elections, I hope to god it gets drug out until then. This bill has to be stopped! Environmentalists have been working towards this for 20+ years, this bill is a culmination of everything they want. It lays the foundation for a whole host of *censored*. They'll be able to take the ESA into these corridors and shove it right up every property owners hoo-haa!

Not withstanding the cost, we're already dealing wth a crap economy, this bit of legislation is going to cost tax payers millions, and the job loss 

[Elkaholic daWg]

  Right on! We in my district need to put Mr Larsen out of a job,and do the same with  the others that would support this garbage.  Hopefully former rep. (and resources committee chair) Richard Pombo gets elected back  (a rancher)to congress in central Ca.
  Ain't it great how those in New Jersey, and New York , and DC think they know what life is all about in the west?

[haus]

And another thing.....this bill is Obama's, don't kid yourself into thinking U.S. Rep. Rush Holt(NJ) drummed this bill up on his own.

Game plan:
Obama's out rah-rah'ing his Great Outdoors Initiative, motivating the people, sounding all inclusive, embracing everyone from environmentalists to loggers, rallying us to get young American's excited about outdoor recreation, looking like Abraham himself.  To some people anyway....

Holt introduces the bill, any negative press, any heat from the public is launched entirely at House reps. Obama wont say a damn thing about this bill unless it gains a ton of momentum, he'll only chime in to give the bill a little nudge to make it through a final vote. If this bill suffers and falls off it wont phase Obama, but I guarrantee that he'll be leading the charge to secure a majority vote if need be. Though he prefers to sit back and provide occassional lift when he see's fit.

This is how he goes about his business, this was a known fact long before he was elected president, I'm not saying its wrong by any means. I'm just pointing out whats really going on and how the two are directly connected.

[WAcoyotehunter]

I'm sure you'll be all giddy about that one WC 

In general, I support efforts to protect large contigous blocks of habitat, because I understand how important those places are to wildlife and to the life needs of many species (sage grouse, griz, wolverine...).  Without habitat we do not have hunting.

Here is some text from the Holt legislation-

The Wildlife Corridors Conservation Act would create a national wildlife corridors information program within the Fish and Wildlife Service to collect and disseminate information about essential movement paths to states and federal agencies. It would establish a Wildlife Corridors Stewardship and Protection Fund to provide grants to federal agencies, states, local governments, nonprofits, and corporations for the management and protection of essential wildlife corridors. Finally, it would require the Department of Agriculture, Department of the Interior and the Department of Transportation to consider the preservation of these migration paths in their management plans.

Are you really so paranoid that you're against legislation to require a closer look at project effects on habitat?  really? 

[Elkaholic daWg]

  How do you suppose he plans on protecting it? By what means?  I know..old news


 Like this maybe........ From BCR

http://www.backcountryrebels.com/showthread.php?t=8424





Here's something I found from March.


Welcome to The Clark Fork Chronicle

Rehberg introduces legislation to stop 'land-grab'

Thursday, March 04 2010 @ 01:38 PM MST


WASHINGTON, D.C. – Montana Rep. Denny Rehberg today introduced legislation that would exempt the State of Montana from the provisions of the Antiquities Act, which allows the President to circumvent public opposition and congressional oversight to designate land as a National Monument. The introduction comes after the discovery of an internal memo from the U.S. Department of Interior, which outlined plans to misuse the Antiquities Act to designate 13 million acres in 11 Western States. This figure includes 2.5 million acres in Montana.
“For more than a century, the Antiquities Act has served a valuable function in the preservation of America’s natural treasures, making it all the more tragic that it’s now being misused for a 13 million-acre land-grab,” said Rehberg, a member of the House Western Caucus. “When it comes to land in Montana, we’ve got a long-standing tradition of working together to find consensus-based solutions. Circumventing that tradition by unilaterally carving out millions of acres with the stroke of a pen is not the American way. The President is not a king, and we are not his subjects, which is why congressional checks and balances are so important.”

Rehberg, who recently sent a letter to Interior Secretary Salazar demanding details on the proposals, introduced H.R. 4754, which requires congressional approval of new National Monument designations in Montana. This requirement isn’t unprecedented; the current law prohibits the extension or establishment of any National Monument in Wyoming without the express authorization of Congress.

“This isn’t about undermining a good law,” said Rehberg. “It’s about preventing a good law from being abused. It’s about ensuring Montanans are heard and preventing a bureaucratic overreach. It’s about making sure that we aren’t rendered landless in our own state because a big-city politician thought it would be fun to shut us out of our land.”

The Department of Interior Memo can be found at http://robbishop.house.gov/UploadedFi...nation.pdf

http://www.clarkforkchronicle.com/ar...00304133818997

Here's a comment re: Clinton by Rehberg

“The Clinton Administration invented the abuse of the Antiquities Act with the Upper Missouri River Breaks National Monument and the Obama Administration seems intent on perfecting it,” said Rehberg.

http://rightmontana.com/dennyrehberg/2010/06/24/3739/
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[wolfbait]

Great research Elk-D! Check this out, many people don't want to look the future in the eye, but unless you become involve this will be the future. This is the reason for the wolves.

http://takingliberty.us/Narrations/FuturePlans/player.html

http://takingliberty.us/Narrations/gap/player.html

[haus]

I'm sure you'll be all giddy about that one WC  

Are you really so paranoid that you're against legislation to require a closer look at project effects on habitat?  really?  

awwww.  
Yeah totally bro, completely paranoid. habitat studies are bad!!!!   There's a little more to it.

What we want for wildlife management is probably about 90% of the same thing WC, its a matter of how we go about doing it, and this Act is not how we should go about wildlife conservation. The emphasis behind this type of legislation places the burden of our past mistakes upon our rural communittee's. Just because we want to right our wrongs does not mean that we need to burden our whole economy and increase federal regulation on private property owners, all in the name of nature. I would recommend that you read into the history of the Wildlife Corridors theory a little further and try to put yourself in the shoes of different groups of people and look at how this will affect them, and take a look at the architects of this theory and examine the many attachments that are intended to be added to this type of platform. If I only cared about my hunting rights and only cared about having more area to hunt and my family and friends only lived in urban areas then I might be more supportive of this program, but I'm just not that selfish.

some items from your RED paragraph:
1. Cost. Where are we going to get the money? The Feds' broke! Right now Obama's pulling it out of Chinamans' bum, as was the previous president. The Federal Government can't even afford to maintain basic access points to our National Forests. How in the hell are they going to manage this 'Wildlife Corridors' expansion correctly if they can't even afford to manage what they already own?

2. 'essential movement paths'....read: RED TAPE. It's good in theory but the result of any federal line being drawn in the name of environmental protection usually equates to more bureaucratic red tape for recreationalists, rural businesses and private property owners. Another things that usually tag along are increased costs, access losses, and increased regulation. This discourages recreationalists and it disrupts businessess, which damages the economy. Add this together with the increased federal spending and you have a huge debt to all of us. Our land should not be a debt to American tax payers.

What I would like to see instead:
Five subjects need to be emphasized and valued equally in any bill, act, or decision that trys to promote this theory of wildlife corridors; economic benefit, habitat growth and improvement, public participation through recreation and business, rural community protection, and wildlife management.

Lastly, a wildlife corridors initiative should clearly define federal control, and it had better be very limited. The effort should be placed on the shoulders of our states, our local communittee's, and our NGO's. We know our home, we know our land, we know our state, the fed doesn't. We can do better.

Maybe this bill will be beat around by congress until these things are all treated equally, we'll just have to wait and see.

[Little Dave]

The intentions in that paragraph at face value are good.  The intentions boil down to let's do stuff to help wildlife.  Nothing wrong with that.

It's not sustainable.  Depends on taxes.  Looks like it creates volumes of new yet redundant information at great expense.  Perhaps a new redundant zoning agency... then of course a follow up act would be needed to really do the work because this first one only ended up paying for greens fees, boats, and vacation condos in Florida... not to mention a congressman from Connecticut might ask for federal funds to create a yarn museum in his district in exchange for the yes vote.

Most people pay more to the federal government with some degree of hope that it will come back, like the wine museum over in the Yakima Valley, wow they're dancing in the streets over there in Prosser.  Any way you look at that it is wealth redistribution.  When you see "grants for non-profits" wave at your money as it goes to some legislator's buddy on the East Coast.  It will go for greens fees, boats, and vacation condos in Florida, usual stuff like that.  You probably pay about twice as much in taxes at the federal level than for state, but you get one third the representation.  Most people wouldn't invest their savings that way.

Keep your money local, and your politicians on a short leash.

[wolfbait]

Land Use Control Tutorial
http://sovereignty.net/p/land/landusetutorial.htm

[Elkaholic daWg]

 Citizens for Balanced Use
Baucus co-sponsors S2747
Dear Jim,
 
The environmental groups that attended the Great American Outdoors and Treasured Landscape Initiative meetings in Montana want nothing more than to have the Land and Water Conservation Fund fully funded. This message was heard loud and clear at these meetings and they are putting pressure on congress to achieve this goal.

The LWCF does nothing more than give huge amounts of money to green organizations to harass land owners into selling there land. They will then transfer ownership of these lands to the government to be locked away from the public all in the so-called name of preservation.

Senator Baucus has just signed on as a co-sponsor of S2747 which will fund these government land grabs to the tune of 450 million per year in perpetuity. Check out the sponsors of this bill.

S 2747

Please contact Senator Baucus and explain to him why we don't need or want the LWCF funded and why more government control of land in Montana is bad for our local economies. Ask him to stop the attacks from government on private property rights.
 
Article Headline
Don't forget to mark your calendar to attend the meeting in
 Malta on September 16th.
BLM Director Robert Abbey will be at the
Malta High School at 7pm to discuss the new proposed
2.5 million acre National Monument.

Kerry White
Citizens for Balanced Use
1-406-600-4CBU

[Elkaholic daWg]

 More wonderful news..................


http://www.takingliberty.us/TLHome.html

[Elkaholic daWg]

  From the "enemy"


Time is running out to participate in our campaign for America's Great Outdoors. It's easy to send a quick email to the Obama Administration asking that conservation for the 21st century include wilderness and wildlife protection. Click here to take action now, or read on for more info.

—Kathy

Dear Jim,

Tell President Obama:  Protect our wilderness, public lands and natural heritage!

America's great outdoors … what do you think should be preserved for future generations? What should our conservation priorities be for the 21st century?

America's Great Outdoors is an unprecedented conservation effort spearheaded by President Obama and several government agencies to reconnect people with nature. The Obama administration wants your input to create this blueprint for the future of conservation in America, and members of his cabinet have been traveling around the country this summer listening to our ideas about conservation.

Please tell the Obama Administration to make wilderness, new parks and monuments, and restoration of wetlands and wildlife habitat the cornerstone of America's Great Outdoors.

Why speak out now? New and growing threats -- overdevelopment, pollution and a changing climate -- demand a smarter, science-based approach to protecting wild areas, wildlife, rivers and lakes and cultural and historic sites that connect us to nature, to each other and to our shared past.

Thousands of Americans have spoken out as part of the America's Great Outdoors Initiative this summer in preparation for a major administration report this fall.

Now it's your turn to be heard.

All summer long, The Wilderness Society has been organizing people to turn out to listening sessions with officials, delivering messages face-to-face about special places, like Otero Mesa in New Mexico, San Gabriel Mountains in California, the North Cascades in Washington. We've pushed for new wilderness protections in Tennessee, West Virginia, and Maine.

We've also delivered specific policy recommendations that will lead to long term protection of our lands and water, including:

    * Protect more wilderness
    * Establish more national parks and monuments
    * Keep our forests healthy
    * Protect and restore wildlife habitat and wetlands
    * Improve opportunities for outdoor recreation

Please act now, to ensure that public lands protection is the center of America's conservation vision.

Each generation has the opportunity –- the responsibility -- to protect our natural heritage for the next generation. Thank you for all you do for America's wilderness and public lands!

Best regards,
Kathy Kilmer