multiple season permits draw II

[E-Town Hunter]

I just got done reading the post on the Department of fish and wildlife's web site about how they screwed up the draw by allowing people to apply for them in groups and the results were invalid because groups were selected for the permits. HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN!!! Their program must be so full of holes its not even funny.

Has anyone heard what day this week they are holding the new drawing? The other thing that is a bunch of crap is the small handful of people that already paid for their permits after seeing that they were drawn in the first drawing are still being allowed to purchase the tags. I don't feel that is right.

[billythekidrock]

http://wdfw.wa.gov/do/newreal/release.php?id=apr0908a

WDFW will conduct a new drawing
for multiple-season hunting permits


OLYMPIA - The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) will hold a new drawing for 2008 multiple-season hunting permits after invalidating a drawing conducted last week due to a technical error.

The new drawing for 1,500 multiple-season deer permits and 500 multiple-season elk permits will be completed by Friday, April 11. Approximately 8,500 people purchased applications for the drawing.

Winners of the new drawing will be eligible to purchase special permits allowing them to participate in multiple general hunting seasons - including archery, muzzleloader and modern-firearm hunts - rather than just a single type of season.

WDFW Director Jeff Koenings said the department will initiate a new validation process - involving additional agency managers and a citizen representative - to provide broader oversight over future drawings and ensure the results are valid.

"We all agree that the problems we have experienced with permit drawings are unacceptable," Koenings said. "Our customers deserve better, and we are dedicated to putting a new system in place that will ensure accurate and transparent results the first time."

Dave Ware, WDFW game manager, said the initial drawing was invalidated because groups of hunters were allowed to apply for the permits. Group applications are allowed for most special-permit hunts, but participation in multiple-season permit drawings is limited to individuals under state regulations.

"Including those group applications changed the results of the initial drawing, so we need to redraw to ensure a fair outcome," Ware said. "We apologize to any hunters who were inconvenienced or disappointed by the invalidation of the first drawing."

Although WDFW did not formally announce the results of the initial drawing, results of that draw were reflected in hunters' online accounts with the department, Ware said. Some department personnel also advised hunters about the results of the initial drawing before realizing it was invalidated, Ware said.

About a half-dozen hunters who purchased permits based on that information will be allowed to use them this season, Ware said.

[Wea300mag]

Those who were drawn should have hurried and bought your permits once the news hit the web.

That's good info for the future.

[billythekidrock]

About a half-dozen hunters who purchased permits based on that information will be allowed to use them this season, Ware said.

What a crock!
Why do they get to keep the permit if it wasn't valid? Is it because it would be too hard to get the money back? It only costs the state about $50 bucks to cut a warrant.

[SuperDave]

Those who were drawn should have hurried and bought your permits once the news hit the web.

That's good info for the future.

  Can't wait for the next draw!  I'm all over it!!

[rackattack]

WOW!!  I guess I should have bought mine last week. What an increase in applicants.  Last year there was just over 6200, now this year they're telling us 8500 people.  Holy smokes!!!

[rackattack]

Some department personnel also advised hunters about the results of the initial drawing before realizing it was invalidated, Ware said.

  Would be nice to have a department personnel as a friend in this case, I'm guessing that's the half dozen that bought their tags.

[PolarBear]

And to think those incompetent bastages still get a paycheck for f-ing things up time and time again!

[Coasthunterjay]

And to think those incompetent bastages still get a paycheck for f-ing things up time and time again!

now thats funny......

incompatent......thats a nice way of putting it...........

[boneaddict]

This is how it works for OUTDOOR CENTRAL Non-residents in Idaho.......  The bill you a 3% convienence fee if you use the interent....now, for a resident that might be a buck or two......When you apply for a $1800 goat permits......Its like $80 for the same job.  NICE>>>>by the way, I see no convienence in that FEE.

[Jackjr]

Can you even put in for a multi-season tag as a group.  I put in for mine online and did not see that option.  A friend of mine bought his at a store and was put in without doing anything.  O Ya he was drawn for both.  Maybe he will have better luck in the next draw.  The whole thing just does not make since. 

[bobcat]

Can you even put in for a multi-season tag as a group.  I put in for mine online and did not see that option. 

Apparently some BRILLIANT people found a way!   

[Jackjr]

I guess we need to weed them out of the hunting gene pool

[Moosehunt]

I don't post much, but I do post when something like this happens.  I was drawn for Multi-Season Deer.  I did a screen print of the results so I could have something to go after them with in the event this happened.  Incompetency is one thing, but then getting kicked in the nuts and suckered punched by allowing those to keep permits that were already paid for is downright ludicrous.  Think about it this way.  The game department posted a drawing for 1500 people for deer, 500 for elk.  Now they have done one of two things to everyone (all 8500 people) who applied.  The first, they have permits that are spoken for that are inclusive of the number yet to be drawn, ie. 1500 permits for deer and 6 were spoken for, leaving 1494 (whatever the number really is) available to you and I.  Or the second, they have added to, made extra permits exclusive of the drawing there by increasing the number of permits available to you and I, i.e 1500 plus the number, so let's say 1507 or something.  Either way, we were led down the garden path and the advertisement of x number of permits was false, misleading and frankly criminal in nature.

I have grown weary of this.  To think that I have donated my time and efforts on a very large scale to fundraising for wildlife in this state.  I sat in front of Koenigs last summer after the drawing fiasco and watched him lie right to 20 faces.  Here he goes again taking a model paintbrush to tackle 20,000 sf of wall.

[jackelope]

i can't figure out how, if the results were never validated, these 6 hunters were able to buy the permits in the first place.