Winston Creek Hunting Incident 12-3-2010

[high country]

sounds like you guys have some serious cases of road hunter rage.

[poohdog]

So you guys that claim its BS  dont block a dead end road, if you saw elk in a clearcut off a different landing you would drive over to that road and drive out to the end of it.  Well where I hunt the elk would be gone by driving out to the end.  I do respect people already there.  Park next to them or go back to where you saw them from and make a new plan.

[BAR C3]

So you guys that claim its BS  dont block a dead end road, if you saw elk in a clearcut off a different landing you would drive over to that road and drive out to the end of it.  Well where I hunt the elk would be gone by driving out to the end.  I do respect people already there.  Park next to them or go back to where you saw them from and make a new plan.

My point exactly! I believe 95% of this board would do the same with the scenario given. Everyone keeps forgetting the circumstances. It's 4 pm and the elk are not far ahead on a dead end road. Your on a gated road. Most of you are all doing the same.  
I wouldn't blame you for it. Matter of fact, I would probably help you pack it out for a few steaks.
And for the record, I don't think this is a stupid thread, it gives me a good perspective of what people are thinking in the woods. Good thread!
 

[lokidog]

When I first started elk hunting, 1986, it was solely on public land, BLM, on the Oregon coast.  Once in a while, Wheyerhauser would allow archers in to hunt, but not often.  If a person parked off to the side of a SPUR road, noone drove by it!  If you blocked the road, I am guessing it would have been a different story....  Granted, there were a lot less hunters back then, and a lot more elk it seems, but there seemed to be more courtesy in the woods.

In 1988, I had a friend visiting from back east.  We knew there was a herd off the end of a 1/4-1/3 mile spur road so he parked at the entrance to the road.  Half way down the road, some guys drove right by my buddy walking to the end.  As my buddy got there, they were just leaving having missed the 5 point that was just off the landing, he and the herd moved away from the landing when the guys drove up.     He still didn't draw his bow on them.   

Still, this was one of the few times something like that happened.  Nowadays with the mismanagement and reduction of our elk herds and the increase in hunter numbers (tell me again why we need more hunters?) it is much more challenging to even find elk, let alone get a shot at a legal one.  With a reduction in resource availability comes an increase in competition for the remaining resource.

I had a herd with a bugling bull in it move away from the very steep landing I was on this year so I tried to drive around the valley to find a better way to cut them off.  When I came to a spur road that I thought might lead me closer to the elk, there were two rigs already parked at the Y, so I kept going even though I did not know if they were even working the same elk I had heard and seen.  I came back later, chatted with the guys for a bit and when they left I continued down the road.  I mentioned to them that I hadseen them so didn't cut into their space.  Hopefully all 8 of them will remember that when they come up to someone else parked off to the side at a spur road.,   I did end up seeing a cow but coulds not get a shot.

In the end, if you are hunting a dead end, I would suggest parking off to the side and hope someone coming by will have the courtesy to not blow by you and if you come to a vehicle parked on the side of a spur road, don't drive by it unless you have to. 

And, DON"T EVER POINT A WEAPON AT ME THAT YOU DO NOT INTEND TO USE!

[Alchase]

I seriously can not believe some of you are actually condoning some a$$hole blocking the road so he and only he has access to an open hunting area?
My only conclusion for those that suggest this might be OK is that you would do the same thing yourself.
As for the pulling the weapon on someone while they are sitting in their vehicle? Well he was a scumbag when he blocked the road in the first place, now he committed a felony. He is very lucky he survived the incident without getting shot.

Two thing about this thread that are very disappointing:
1. This scumbag will probably do the same thing again to someone else unless he is charged.
2. That quite a few of the people on here seem to actually condone this behavior over an elk.

[sportsman002001]

Okay I just got done going through the post here and seems everyone here is beating the issue of driving around the truck or blocking the road. The other point is that people don't follow weyco rules to the tree farm and I did not read where that was mentioned much. As to posting pictures waiting to see where this ends up with law enforcement.

[poohdog]

Whats the point in driving out into the clearcut and spooking them out of the unit.  Its makes no sense to drive to the end of a dead end road and scare them out.  Stop short and walk in so you have a chance to fill your tag. 

[salmonslayer1]

i know of at least 3 gates that were open on Fri nite that all are on the 1100 or adjoin that road system.hell Fri on the 1100 were the eyes of the woods guys turning guys around telling them the road wasn't open till sat morn.then after the loggers got done they took there signs and left leaving the 1100 wide open at about the 524 road.the gate on the green 1110 was closed all week but open Fri around 4sh and a gate at the 1100 off the 2570 all open Fri afternoon.the only reason those gates were closed all week was due to hauling.open for hunting fri-sun.my point is who knows what gate these guys came through i doubt they opened all gates simultaneously opened one then drove to the other opened it so who know if who was breaking the rules never assume.get facts.it sucks this had to turninto a pissing match were both parties felt wronged.no excuse to be pointing bows at someones head.id have let the law sort it out.

[sportsman002001]

I spoke with the eyes in the woods at the 500 gate and they stated someone had tore out a 4 of the gates up there through out the week.

[h20hunter]

After killing many brain cells getting this far into the thread I still don't understand how the opinions can be so varied.

1. Blocking a road. Unless you are on private property which is your own I can't see any reason to block a road. I can think of countless reasons somebody could be ahead of you even if they shouldn't be. Still, you don't own the right of way. You don't own the wildlife. You don't own the rights of passage. Yes somebody could bust your hunt if you are hunting that close to the road. Sorry, them's the brakes. If you are blocking a road I'm going around. Sorry, I just don't think you have the right to restrict my movement on public land, for good or bad.

2. Drawing a bow. This is a much bigger issue then the blocking road discussion. I applaud the guy for getting the hell out and being cool headed. Other guy is lucky he didn't get killed for his actions.

[bigtex]

Where I hunt (one of the Hancock Farms) people block roads all the time. Nobody complains about it because kind of the accepted way on the farm. If you want a good spot then wake your ass up at 4AM and get to your spot before dark, and block the road. It's amazing how many people get to the place they want to hunt right at daylight and get pissed because somebody is already there. These roads that people block are usually near the end of a logging road in a clear cut, not some main road. Blocking logging roads to secure your hunting area is the way we do it on this Hancock Farm at least. And guess what, it's usually the guys who get to their spot 1 - 1.5 hour before daylight who get their animal, not the guy who is just coming thru the gate as the sun is rising and racing to "their spot".

[bigtex]

3) You should not have driven around him to get to the end of dead end spur

 

[BIGINNER]

After killing many brain cells getting this far into the thread I still don't understand how the opinions can be so varied.

1. Blocking a road. Unless you are on private property which is your own I can't see any reason to block a road. I can think of countless reasons somebody could be ahead of you even if they shouldn't be. Still, you don't own the right of way. You don't own the wildlife. You don't own the rights of passage. Yes somebody could bust your hunt if you are hunting that close to the road. Sorry, them's the brakes. If you are blocking a road I'm going around. Sorry, I just don't think you have the right to restrict my movement on public land, for good or bad.

2. Drawing a bow. This is a much bigger issue then the blocking road discussion. I applaud the guy for getting the hell out and being cool headed. Other guy is lucky he didn't get killed for his actions.

 


I'M HAVING A VERY HARD TIME KEEPING TRACK OF THIS THREAD.   11 PAGES WOW.  

[dirty24d]

3) You should not have driven around him to get to the end of dead end spur

 

    Wrong... Wrong...   

I dont care how you supposedly do at the hancock farms  nobody has a right to block a road period..  I'd either push your rig off the road or if i was feeling friendly I'd just lay on my horn for about 5 minutes straight to let you know you messed up.   

[h20hunter]

Agreed 100%. "Thats how we do it at __________" doesn't cut it.