Multi Season Permit Levels To Increase - "Green Sheet"

[billythekidrock]

"GREEN SHEET''
Meeting:
Agenda ltem 1l:
Prepared By:
Presented By:
December 24,2010
Multiple Season Permit Levels - Rule Briefing, public Hearing, and Rule Action
Dave Ware
Dave Ware, Game Division Manager, Wildlife program
Background:
Department staff will brief the Commission on proposed amendments to WAC 232-28-294 Multiple
season big game permits.
Multiple season deer_and elk permits have been popular with hunters since they were authorized
by the Legislature_ in 20_06. Each year over 8,000 applications are submitted foi 2,ooo deer permits
and another 8,000 applications for 600 elk permits. However, there have been some issueswith
successful applicants deciding not to purchase the $180 permit. The Department has tried several
ways to ensure that all the available permits are purchased each year. Ôonducting multiple
drawings and providing a first come first served opportunity for purchases have beén unsuccessful.
We are p_roposing to simplify the process so that only one drawing is conducted and everyone
drawn will be able to purchase a permit if they choose. Based on past purchasing history, we plan
to draw 4,000 names for the deer permits and 850 names for the elk permits. Wã are exþecting
about the same number of permits authorized for sale last year by the Commission (2,00'0 deer-and
600 elk) to be ourchased.
Policy lssue(s) you are bringing to the commission for consideration: o Provide a variety of hunting opportunities for the public including this opportunity to hunt during
archery, muzzleloader, and modern firearm seasons.
Public involvement process used and what you learned:
These proposed recommendations were sent to approximately 450 organizations and individuals in
October for their review and consideration. These organizations and individuals were also informed
of the opportunity to provide public testimony at the December Commission meeting in Olympia.
This is a small change to a process for allocating permits and is likely to have very iimiteO-intbrest
from the public. The standard code reviser process for rule making will allow ampte opportunity for
comment.
Action requested (identify the specific Gommission decisions you are seeking):
Amend wAc 232-28-294 Multiple season big game permits, aspresented.
Draft motion language:
I move to amend WAC 232-28-294, as proposed.
Justification for Gommission action:
simplifies the allocation of multiple season permits for deer and elk hunting.
Gommunications plan: o Washington State Register o Hunting Pamphlets . Web Site o News Release

[billythekidrock]

I know it is hard to read, but it was a copy and paste job from the PDF.

[Bob33]

 A lot of people apply for them because they can.  Then they get drawn, realize the permits cost $180 (I think that's going up next year), think about it, and decide that either (a) they can get their deer without paying $180, or (b) paying $180 won't increase their hunting opportunity very much.

[bobcat]

If I'm feeling rich (not likely) in a couple months, I want to put in for the deer multi-season. Just will have to see how the bank account looks after Christmas. Looks like odds of drawing will be very good.

[billythekidrock]

I just wish the prices were more reflective of the respective species. There is no way that a deer is equal to an elk. Lower the price on one or raise the price on the other.

I would probably apply for them if I had a ML.

[grundy53]

"GREEN SHEET''
Meeting:
Agenda ltem 1l:
Prepared By:
Presented By:
December 24,2010
Multiple Season Permit Levels - Rule Briefing, public Hearing, and Rule Action
Dave Ware
Dave Ware, Game Division Manager, Wildlife program
Background:
Department staff will brief the Commission on proposed amendments to WAC 232-28-294 Multiple
season big game permits.
Multiple season deer_and elk permits have been popular with hunters since they were authorized
by the Legislature_ in 20_06. Each year over 8,000 applications are submitted foi 2,ooo deer permits
and another 8,000 applications for 600 elk permits. However, there have been some issueswith
successful applicants deciding not to purchase the $180 permit. The Department has tried several
ways to ensure that all the available permits are purchased each year. Wã are exþecting
about the same number of permits authorized for sale last year by the Commission (2,00'0 deer-and
600 elk) to be ourchased.Ôonducting multiple
drawings and providing a first come first served opportunity for purchases have beén unsuccessful.
We are p_roposing to simplify the process so that only one drawing is conducted and everyone
drawn will be able to purchase a permit if they choose. Based on past purchasing history, we plan
to draw 4,000 names for the deer permits and 850 names for the elk permits.
Policy lssue(s) you are bringing to the commission for consideration: o Provide a variety of hunting opportunities for the public including this opportunity to hunt during
archery, muzzleloader, and modern firearm seasons.
Public involvement process used and what you learned:
These proposed recommendations were sent to approximately 450 organizations and individuals in
October for their review and consideration. These organizations and individuals were also informed
of the opportunity to provide public testimony at the December Commission meeting in Olympia.
This is a small change to a process for allocating permits and is likely to have very iimiteO-intbrest
from the public. The standard code reviser process for rule making will allow ampte opportunity for
comment.
Action requested (identify the specific Gommission decisions you are seeking):
Amend wAc 232-28-294 Multiple season big game permits, aspresented.
Draft motion language:
I move to amend WAC 232-28-294, as proposed.
Justification for Gommission action:
simplifies the allocation of multiple season permits for deer and elk hunting.
Gommunications plan: o Washington State Register o Hunting Pamphlets . Web Site o News Release

I might be confused but to me it sounds like they are going to issue out the same amount of permits. They are just going to draw more names to try and make sure they sell all of the permits.... i could be wrong though.

[bobcat]

No, they are drawing more names and expecting that the same percentage of people drawn will actually purchase the permits. So they are doubling the number of people drawn for deer from 2000 to 4000. They only expect half of the 4000 people drawn to spend the money and buy the permit.

The proposal also says:

everyone drawn will be able to purchase a permit if they choose

So if people in general are feeling rich, it could happen that all 4000 people will buy the permit.

[grundy53]

ok. must have missed that last part. thanks for clearing it up for me.

[sportsman002001]

I heard that they drew more names this year too hoping that all would sell and it was on a first come first serve basis. Do we know if they all sold or not? If not did they do additional draws? I know years past they did additional draws till all were sold.

[bobcat]

Maybe this will clarify it some:

Reasons supporting proposal:
Each year, approximately 16,000 applications are received for these permits, and in recent years, 2,600 are awarded.
However, in 2010, only about 55% of those people who were awarded deer permits and 85% of those awarded elk
permits ended up purchasing the permits. We are proposing to draw more names, although the number of hunters who
will purchase the permits in 2011 is expected to be the same number (2,600) allocated in 2010.

http://wdfw.wa.gov/about/regulations/2010/wsr_10-21-097.pdf

[luvtohnt]

OK so I have an idea. Why not just have it be first come first serve. No drawing, and allow the permit to be sold until Aug. 31st. I did some quick math and the money generated from applications is $96,000. They would loose that amount if there was no application process. However if the remaining amount of multi-season tags were sold that would bring in an additional $178,200 (above what they already make). So if they all sold they could potentially make more. I know I don't put in because of the cost of out of state applications and the risk of getting drawn for out of state. So if I was able to purchase after not drawing out of state I would, just to have better odds in WA. Just a thought, What do you guys think?

Brandon

[bobcat]

I think that's how it should be done. I wonder how much money they would save by not doing the drawing? Doing it as a drawing, they should reduce the cost of the permits so that people don't have to think so hard before spending the money. $40 to $50 would be a more reasonable amount. But yeah if they just sold them first come, first serve, that would make a heck of a lot more sense.

[chester]

I heard that they drew more names this year too hoping that all would sell and it was on a first come first serve basis. Do we know if they all sold or not? If not did they do additional draws? I know years past they did additional draws till all were sold.

Im not thinking they did.I kept getting post cards in the mail asking and reminding to go buy one.

[STIKNSTRINGBOW]

How about having a time period for successful applicants drawn, then the balance sold on a first come basis, then they not only get the permit application $$, but sell all (or more) of the permits ?
I cannot see how they would lose out ? 

[STIKNSTRINGBOW]

And if you are drawn, and don't buy the permit, then you can no longer apply...