Multi Season Permit Levels To Increase - "Green Sheet"

[Wacenturion]

"Let everyone hunt ALL the seasons and watch the success rates go up. What if they gave us so much time (opportunity) to hunt, that EVERY hunter actually DID kill an elk and a deer each year? There wouldn't be anything left after a couple of years!"


Ever hear of "The Law of Diminishing Returns"?  It states...........

The law of diminishing returns is a classic economic concept that states that as more investment in an area is made, overall return on that investment increases at a declining rate, assuming that all variables remain fixed. To continue to make an investment after a certain point (which varies from context to context) is to receive a decreasing return on that input.

Applied to hunting it simply means.......the harder it is to harvest game the less time someone will actually spend trying.  Classic example is a pheasant.  Pretty well documented that half of the harvest-able roosters are taken in the first two weeks of the season, with the lions share on opening weekend.  As the season progresses and birds run and are harder to kill or even find, then add in the weather....like in snow, ice and damn cold, only the dyed in the wool bird dog owners are still engaged in pheasant hunting, with the exception of some road hunters....fact.

Same principal applies to all hunters irregardless of species.  I remember it being called the "Law of the Fagged Out Hunter" by an old professor of mine.  Of course fagged out meant something completely different way back then.  

[Gutpile]

"Law of the Fagged Out Hunter"   

Homophobe!!!!!

[jbeaumont21]

But remember If you draw the Multi tags it gives you the ability to put in for any special permit any weapon any side of the mountains..

Sorry if this is a stupid questions...  so if the multi tag gives you the ability to put in for a special permit on either side does that mean you find out the results and if you were selected for the multi tag before purchasing and committing to a hunt during the regular season elk tag on either east or west side??   Hopefully my questions wasn't too confusing and made sense.  It's my understanding that you have to choose what type of hunt that you want (archery, modern, ml) and purchase the licence before you are able to put in for the special permit hunts.  So in that case you must be able to know if you were selected for the multi season tag before hand correct?

[bobcat]

That's why the multi-season application period and drawing is before the other special permit hunts.

[Wacenturion]

Not a silly argument at all, as it was the way it was before "Resource Allocation".  There are records to show what happened.  More opportunity, more seasons, regulated harvest levels that were adjusted.  Not every hunter killed a deer and an elk each year, nor will they ever...just won't happen.  With all due respect, that statement is ridiculous.

You know, back then we also did not have the extensive archery and muzzleloader seasons like we have now. There was not a whole lot of deer and elk hunting happening in September and December.

So you're saying we should go back to the '73 regulations and do away with archery and muzzleloader seasons? OK    (with all due respect)  

No I'm not saying do away with archery an muzzleloading seasons....they existed back then (although different), and if you bought the archery/muzzle-loader stamp, you too could participate.  Again I'll say a person only has so much vacation time, and weekend time and it's generally spread amongst both big game, waterfowl and upland bird seasons.  Your argument keeps assuming people are all of a sudden going to be in the field 7 days a week all season long.  Yeah there would obviously be some tweaking, but I think most would opt for more opportunity, but hey...maybe I'm wrong. 

Did you hunt that 73' season?  I did and several before that.  I also lived in the basin then and hunted areas in all directions.  I remember what it was like back then, and I can tell you with all certainty it was a hell of a lot better than today.

[bobcat]

No I didn't hunt in '73. I was only five years old!

Another thing to consider... you say people will be limited by their lack of time except for those who are retired, right? Well- wouldn't you say there are a whole lot more retired people who are still physically capable of hunting than there was back in 1973? Hasn't the life expectancy greatly increased since then and hasn't the age of retirement gone down?

And not only that, but nowadays we have ATV's, 4 wheel drive vehicles, GPS, rangefinders, great optics, AND the internet.

[Wacenturion]

No I didn't hunt in '73. I was only five years old!

Another thing to consider... you say people will be limited by their lack of time except for those who are retired, right? Well- wouldn't you say there are a whole lot more retired people who are still physically capable of hunting than there was back in 1973? Hasn't the life expectancy greatly increased since then and hasn't the age of retirement gone down?

And not only that, but nowadays we have ATV's, 4 wheel drive vehicles, GPS, rangefinders, great optics, AND the internet.

That's true, but if you think someone 65 is as capable as he was at say 27 to chase animals in the field....then I have a sweet deal on some ocean front property in Nebraska for you.

Also your values change as you get older.  It not so much about harvest as it is about the experience and time spent with lifelong friends.  Also you're much wiser.  Boat trips across the Potholes Reservoir early in the dark with snow hitting you in the face just to get your spot and shoot ducks doesn't carry that youthful rush it once did.  Warmth is good....sleeping in is your friend.

[Gutpile]

No I didn't hunt in '73. I was only five years old!

Another thing to consider... you say people will be limited by their lack of time except for those who are retired, right? Well- wouldn't you say there are a whole lot more retired people who are still physically capable of hunting than there was back in 1973? Hasn't the life expectancy greatly increased since then and hasn't the age of retirement gone down?

And not only that, but nowadays we have ATV's, 4 wheel drive vehicles, GPS, rangefinders, great optics, AND the internet.

That's true, but if you think someone 65 is as capable as he was at say 27 to chase animals in the field....then I have a sweet deal on some ocean front property in Nebraska for you.

Also your values change as you get older.  It not so much about harvest as it is about the experience and time spent with lifelong friends.  Also you're much wiser.  Boat trips across the Potholes Reservoir early in the dark with snow hitting you in the face just to get your spot and shoot ducks doesn't carry that youthful rush it once did.  Warmth is good....sleeping in is your friend.

    

[BlackRidge]

I seem to be pretty bad at this 'hunting' thing, & need all the (legal) advantages I can get.... sooooo if I was drawn for one of these, the money would be well worth it and paid immediately

It's amazing how many people were drawn for it and didn't collect on it, 180 doesn't seem like that much.. especially if you put in for the tag knowing it costs what it does. Why put in for it if you don't think there's a chance of being drawn?

[chester]

I put in dec or jan last year. i assumed id be out 140. and that would be total cost. well when the regs came out. it was 180 and i had to buy my 45 dollar deer tag anyway.  so now i was looking at 225 for what i thought would be 140. I dont really have to much trouble pulling a deer every year. and the price left a real sour taste in my mouth so i said to hell with it, they can keep the damned permit. 225 for a deer is too much. Elk i would have scraped it up. but thats also 3-5x the meat.

thats my story anyway.

[jbeaumont21]

Why put in for it if you don't think there's a chance of being drawn?

Well the way I understand it is that if I am on the west side and get drawn for a multi season tag then I can put in in for one of the east side special permits for elk.  However if I am not successful in drawing an east side tag then there is no reason for me to purchase the multi season tag since I would rather hunt the west side general season. Does that sound right?   I don't know ... I am just trying to make sense of the confusing regs here in WA.

[carpsniperg2]

"However if I am not successful in drawing an east side tag then there is no reason for me to purchase the multi season tag since I would rather hunt the west side general season. Does that sound right?"

You got it wrong, you have to buy the multi tag first. Before you get to put in for the special permits. You can't put in for the east and west side tags without buying the tag.

[bobcat]

If you didn't draw an eastside permit, you at least would still be able to hunt ALL westside seasons- early archery, early muzzleloader, modern, late archery and late muzzleloader. So it still gives you a lot of options, IF you have a bow, a muzzleloader, and a modern firearm, AND if you also have a lot of time to hunt.

[jbeaumont21]

Gotcha!  Thanks for clarifying!  I can't see why people would put in and not purchase then ... that would be dumb!

[bobcat]

As I said, I put in for it the first year they offered it, not really knowing for sure exactly what it was, and also not knowing if I'd have the money to pay for it if drawn. But, thinking it was definitely something I might want to draw in the future, I applied just so I could begin building points. Well wouldn't you know it, I was drawn. So I didn't gain a point, and I decided against spending money that I didn't have.