Poor excuse for a bow hunter

[Tacomahunter]

Bottom line is videos like that just put another nail in the coffin for us.  Great example of why hunters get a bad rap and unfortunately sometimes deservedly so.

[DIYARCHERYJUNKIE]

This guy says to write him on you tube and he will delete the video read the description on you tube and write him he might remove it. 

[jason4429]

I think you guys may want to watch the video again . That deer was hit almost perfectly.I do believe these guys are morons for sure,but they didn't shoot the deer in the hindquarters.Look where the blood is coming out of his side.

Nice catch in the photo firefighter. Did not see the can of beer by the fat guy

I have shot many animals with a bow and have never had a heart and lung shot animal paralyzed. As stated he hit high in the spine after missing an easy 40 yd shot. Amazing hunters on here defending this *censored* bag's actions

I was not defending them at all .They are definetly idiots .

[windygorge]

go to his channel and message him.  tell him to remove it.  he said he will if people don't like it.  i messaged him.

[longknife]

Ive seen a muzzeloader shot take a leg off a cow before, wasnt pretty, but i sure as hell wouldnt post on utube! There is a place like this for posting hunting/fishing deaths. That was like watching hillbillys roll to town the dualing banjos going, with a deer on the hood, not good for anyone to witness!
Animal was harvested, in a poor manner(nice trophy by the way acting like it was a 200class buck), but death isnt for the faint of heart. Some rifle shots are horable to watch, thinking they can make that 500yrd shot after a beer or two. And if some of you think this dosent happen your wrong, it was just one you saw published.

[724wd]

I disagree with much of what you say...  You make it sound as if there is no way to curb this sort of behavior - "it's going to happen whether we like it or not, so as long as they edit the video before posting on youtube, everything will be OK."  B.S.  Obviously these guys don't see the wrong (I'm talking ethically, not legally - there is a difference) in what they've done, otherwise they would not have posted the video.  Without chastising them, they will continue with their public displays of *censored*baggery and we will all suffer because of it.  Condemning them may fracture the hunting community, but sometimes the herd needs to be culled.  I would much rather have a slightly smaller, more unified group of responsible individuals in our community than share the name "hunter" with those shown in this video. 
And blaming their lack of respect on the overarching problems of our modern society is a bunch of B.S. too.  It's past time for individuals to take responsibility for their actions.  Maybe when people begin to do so, our societal woes will dissipate.   

I don't think you and i disagree about as much as you think.  In my opinion (and that's a big thing to remember, we all have our own opinions) screaming and yelling at those that are bad examples of hunting behavior will not be as effective as proactive promotion of behaviors the majority of the local hunting population champion.  I say local because the guys down south and back east think we're crazy for taking shots over 35 yards.  in many places I hunt, limiting yourself to 35 yards or less would make for tag soup nearly every year!

and i don't think there is a way to completely curb people taking bad shots, drinking while hunting, whooping it up after the kill and posting it for the world to see.  we haven't gotten a handle on poaching in the last 100 years, and NO ONE likes those guys and we all speak out against it, but poaching persists, and according to some, is increasing!  there WILL always be a segment of the population that not only breaks laws, but hunts in a manner the majority of hunters disagree with.  I'm not saying we try and ignore that type of behavior, i think these issues should be addressed, but addressed in a manner that does less to alienate than educate.  Those fellows in this video aren't going to stop hunting no matter what you say, and it is my opinion that criticism alone would be less effective in changing behaviors then criticism coupled with advocacy for hunting practices the majority agree with.  also, i guess i don't agree with your assertion that chastising the guys in this video will result in a culled herd.  more than likely they will be lifelong hunters and associated with hunters for the duration, good or bad.  i am in favor of trying to change their behavior to reflect more positively on the hunting community as a whole, i think we just differ in our approach.

bringing up ethics is an interesting topic.  ethics are deeply personal to every individual.  You may not feel comfortable taking a 40 yard shot, while the guy that routinely groups 4" at 100 yards thinks it's a chip shot.  shooting at an animal at 100 yards is not illegal, but surely not recommended in almost every circumstance.  I wouldn't advocate shooting at game over 60 yards, but i don't believe it's up to me to insist that all hunters adhere to my standards and limits.  I will gladly SUGGEST they reconsider taking longer shots, and to think carefully about the consequences of those shots, but i cannot condemn them (at least not much) when the result of their actions is a relatively quick kill.

If you don't attribute the behavior shown in the video (primarily the celebration after the kill and the "do anything for a kill" mentality) to societal issues like horn porn hero worship and lack of personal responsibility, then what DO you attribute this behavior to?  I think you and i are actually, at least partially, on the same page regarding personal responsibility.  the difference being I pointed out that it's not only hunting where we see this behavior, but in almost every faucet of modern day living, ie, welfare recipient with $1500 tv, $40,000 rig and $4000 rims.  I wish i could say i was immune to the consumerism of the united states in this decade, but sitting here on my mac laptop, watching my 47" LCD TV, laying on my leather couch in air conditioned comfort... that couldn't be further from the truth.  Without going into details, my wife and I should have A LOT more money in the bank than we do, and i blame no one but ourselves for it.  we make plenty, but we spend plenty, too!  (doing our part for the economy, you know? )

"It's past time for individuals to take responsibility for their actions.  Maybe when people begin to do so, our societal woes will dissipate."  I WHOLEHEARTEDLY agree!   

Now, with everything said here, you can also see my thoughts on the mandatory bowhunter education course thread.  I am against it, as an add on, mandatory class.  I AM in favor of periodic refreshers for all licensed hunters (we do it with drivers licenses, why not hunting licenses?)  during which emphasis on sound hunting practices (shooting within your limits, following up on every shot, tracking, etc) could be covered in more detail than in basic hunters ed.  It's been about 20 years since i went through hunters ed, and honestly, i can't tell you much of what was covered.  the firearms safety I implement, as well as the majority of my personal hunting 'ethics' comes from my dad.  Among my ethics are:  I follow up every shot i take, I try to not shoot beyond my ability (but have gotten caught up in the heat of the moment a time or two) and celebrate the hunt, not the kill.  I exercise extreme caution with firearms and archery equipment and am working with my 4 year old daughter on the same.  but what about those youths that don't have strong role models to mentor them?  does basic hunters ed provide them with enough tools to form the strong hunting 'ethics' we all appreciate?  every week they watch the guys and gals on outdoor tv and the like shoot only massive deer, giving them the impression that a mature whitetail doe taken at close range can be more of a challenge than the 'trophy' bucks bred and fed solely for antler development and shot over a timed feeder. 

I don't agree with what the hunters on the video in question did, but the result was a decently executed marginal shot and (hopefully) a quick kill.  in summation, I am in favor of constructive criticism and advocating sound hunting practices!    

[luvz2hunt]

its embarrassing to think these jokers help represent me as a hunter. 

[Mr Mykiss]

The hollering after the shot was rediculous. Actually makes me sick and ashamed of being a hunter.

[bobcat]

The hollering after the shot was rediculous. Actually makes me sick and ashamed of being a hunter.

               

[h20hunter]

They certainly don't represent me!

[724wd]

They certainly don't represent me!

they may not represent the ideals you hunt with, but by placing their video on youtube, they represent ALL hunters in the public eye.  (hence my urging people to edit their videos if they insist on posting them.)

and i've never heard someone hoot and holler like that after shooting an animal.  not something i find in good taste, not matter how proud they were of a 65 yard spine shot.   

[Mr Mykiss]

It would be one thing if it dropped dead...
However everyone I hunt with would turn very solemn and quiet if a animal was hit like that.... the shooter would quietly approach the animal and put a quality shot on him/her. When the animal had passed things would be quiet for quite awhile and then we'd slowly get over it and know that we did the right thing. At no time would we exibit the kind of bafoonary that these assclowns partook in!!

[pianoman9701]

It would be one thing if it dropped dead...
However everyone I hunt with would turn very solemn and quiet if a animal was hit like that.... the shooter would quietly approach the animal and put a quality shot on him/her. When the animal had passed things would be quiet for quite awhile and then we'd slowly get over it and know that we did the right thing. At no time would we exibit the kind of bafoonary that these assclowns partook in!!

I commented on the video on the YouTube page. It shows a great many other hunters have, as well. I saw few positive responses.

[724wd]

i never looked at the comments...

his description is interesting.   

"Advisory: Video graphically shows a mule deer paralyzed when shot in the back. He was killed off camera moments after the shot.  Hunting is the deliberate "harvesting" of wildlife which this video intimately and graphically depicts, often unseen in the field, rarely filmed, and from which hunters are largely disconnected from. My intention as a freshman bow-hunter was the humane killing of this beautiful sentient animal, and while the difficult and imperfect shot was grossly celebrated, this is a responsibility I do not take for granted. I am sharing this as an educational experience that impacted me and in no way as a celebration or advertisement of the inevitable brutality that accompanies bow hunting but as an obtrusive illustration. If enough informed senior hunters feel this to be an impressionable video that will contribute to a negative misunderstanding of the sport, message me and I will remove it for the sake of the hunting community."

[Buckhunter24]

Made me sick to my stomache. Pisses me off to see these kind of people are out there doing sh!t like that.