nile paper says muck's shot 140+/- deer last weekend?

[colockumelk]

cant get em in the books. so whats it matter. you know thats the only animal i saw all year.

Why can't you get them in the books? All you have to do is buy a hunting license and hunt during a hunting season. Sounds easy enough to me. 

[ICEMAN]

This is an unfortunatate attitude of those who once were thought of as needing help.So things swing completely the other way, not a fair medium, heavily slanted for a favored few ......in one nation under god.... This is what "bleeding heart" politics creates

Agreed.
 
Don't forget to add the media attention to the matter....or lack there of...

[igotbigbulls]

oh come on guys. its all one sided. how could you expect me not to take shots at all the crap you been talkin? i would challange anyone who was in my position to do other wise. and you know if what you claim was actually true the media would be all over it. and when it does happen they deserve to be on it. yeah i have vented on here just like others. its frustrating for me just like others. maybe something more needs to be done but its all a work in progress. and the tribes who have members who abuse the privilage of hunting is wrong. but i am truly sorry if i have offended any. i know alot of people have looked at this thread and seen the back and forth going on. this is not the place for it to get solved. i realize that. regardless of what anyone thinks of me i would be willing to help any and all. i do take great pride in where i come from and what my tribe has done for me and what i do for my tribe. hunting is a huge part of my life. i love the woods and everything in them. i respect all hunters on here and feel the frustration of most. maybe in a different way but feel none the less. im looking to help reason on some matters concerning my tribe as thats all i can speak in behalf of. but find myself maybe stepping over the line when talking for other tribes and i appologize for that. its not my place.

[Bob Williams]

i gotbigbulls- solid brother..I can appreciate and i think inside yourself you can too. We are all reaching for the same things and just want the same opportunity and it just seems to appear that with more control over the unbridal masses who take more then their fair share there would be plenty for all.Does not seem like much to ask for in this day and age but just try and getting something on the books changed... We won't live long enough to see it happen.

Peace

[colockumelk]

Bigbulls you don't seem as happy as usual. Don't tell me those punk 20 year olds whipped you at basketball.     It's okay look on the bright side even on your worst day you could still beat Coastal at basketball. Shoot my Grandma could do that.   

[Coastal_native]

Bigbulls you don't seem as happy as usual. Don't tell me those punk 20 year olds whipped you at basketball.     It's okay look on the bright side even on your worst day you could still beat Coastal at basketball. Shoot my Grandma could do that.   

I can't believe this just happened.  You wouldn't even believe me if I told you, but I was just about to post the following after Bob's post, but I decided not to and I deleted it.

"This is the crutial turning point in these type of threads.  Just when you think things are going to fizzle out............booooom!  Colockumelk shows up and says something stupid"

I swear I had that all typed out, but I deleted it and when the thread refreshed, what do you know.

[colockumelk]

On a serious not I would just like to see the Yakamas contribute to wildlife management instead of take from it. (Talking big game) Right now they do nothing. Elk and deer are a resource that we must all share. And there's enough to go around. But I think if you are going to use a resource you should help pay to maintain the resource.

That means the Yakamas should help the WDFW and submit harvest reports and pay for feed and research.  But we can't get them to do anything to help out. 

You say we need to work together. But we do all the work and they do nothing. So its them that need to step up and help out not us. We do our part its time the Yakamas do ours. They need to learn from the coastal tribes that help out and do their part for wildlife managmemt. If the Puyallups and the Quinnalt can do it there is no excuse why the Yakamas can't do their part as well.

If tribal members here don't agree that they need to contribute then there's no point in trying and I'm done here. The state might as well open it up to any elk and deer and be done with it. Then there wouldnt be anything to fight over.

[colockumelk]

Bigbulls you don't seem as happy as usual. Don't tell me those punk 20 year olds whipped you at basketball.     It's okay look on the bright side even on your worst day you could still beat Coastal at basketball. Shoot my Grandma could do that.   

I can't believe this just happened.  You wouldn't even believe me if I told you, but I was just about to post the following after Bob's post, but I decided not to and I deleted it.

"This is the crutial turning point in these type of threads.  Just when you think things are going to fizzle out............booooom!  Colockumelk shows up and says something stupid"

I swear I had that all typed out, but I deleted it and when the thread refreshed, what do you know.

Because its the only place I know you'll see my sick burns I unleash on you daily .

[igotbigbulls]

Im not yakama so I can't say. But clock do some looking into what the ctuir have to offer in game management and such. I know its mostly Oregon but we also have a  good chunk here in southeast wa. It might surprise you what efforts are being put forth.

[PlateauNDN]

Bigbulls, to answer your question I believe you've answered and debated this as far as and as honestly as you can.  Those of us here have made it clear we share majority of the same issues as a group and I know for myself I don't currently sit on Council so I don't have the power to invoke change to laws, regulations and policies.  None of us here created, wrote or voted for what we currently have but we are able to make our voices heard and let those in the positions know how it affects everybody.  I've made it known here and back at home that I will be seeking a seat in the future but not at this time.  I've learned a lot about hunting and fishing issues here and to hear the other side of the sphere is very helpful and could go along way in the future.  The only other thing I can offer is that those of us here have at least made it clear we share some of the same values with most and at least would like to see the fingerpointing directed at us be done to those that have abused and disrespected their rights.  I don't condone their actions so from me don't make the assumption that I do.  Safe hunting to everybody and bring back stories and pics.

[Ddog73]

Hey clock Muckleshoots do studies on elk too. Even deer

[colockumelk]

Ddog you are correct. Your tribe does a really good job of that. I should have mentioned yours as well. Sorry for not doing so. 

Plateau once again well said.  I agree.  Game management in WA is poor for many reason and both tribal and non share the blame for that one. All we can do is like what you are doing. Try to respectfully make our voices heard and move forward one positive step at a time .

Bigbulls I will do that today when I'm sitting in the stand. 

[Yak-NDN]

Simple question. Why is it okay for the same crime to have two different penalties based SOLEY on the color of their skin. Simple question. But if you don't want to answer it because you know how it will make you look dog and igotbulls. That's fine. At least  YAK made an attempt to answer it. He sidestepped the direct point I was making but at least he gave something.

How did I sidestep? I answered your question. Why do you look at people by the color of their skin? who based anything on the color of anyone? I don't have any special rights because of what I look like. Hell If it was based on what I looked like I would be buying state tags like you. lol I can hunt the way I do because my great great great grandfather fought and then made an agreement with the Fed Gov (Not The State) that we can hunt and fish in usual and accustom places, in trade for our people to be placed on a small reservation.

[colockumelk]

I didn't say anything about your right to hunt or fish.  I said why is it okay for you and I to commit the same crime aka Poaching and yet you will receive a far less sentance than I will.  Simply because of the difference in our race?  This is racial discrimination and is BS.  The topic wasn't about treaty rights or hunting.  It was about when a tribal member commits a crime he gets off easier than a non-tribal member.  I've cited two examples.  So again do you think that it is fair or right that when committing the same crime there is two different punishments based SOLELY on the race of the individual.  Simple question.  YES or NO!!!

You sidestepped by using different states give different penalties.  I explained how that is not a fair representation. 

To be specific.  Lets say you and I go up and we each kill a Big Horn sheep (pretend you don't have a tag) and we both get caught doing so without a tag.  Legal precedance has shown you will get a $1,000 fine and lose your rights to hunt for 1 year.  Legal precedance has shown I will receive a Class C Felony, a $3,000 fine and my right to hunt will be taken for LIFE.  How is this fair? 

[Yak-NDN]

Well if I were to do the same thing it would be a Class C Felony, I would lose my hunting priveleges for LIFE, and face up to 5 years in jail and up to a $51,000 dollar fine.  So yeah he got a slap in the wrist.  But then again it goes back to the equality thing and discrimination. 

You want to know what would REALLY make all of us happy? If things were equal and if caught doing the same crime you would do the same time.  And please I can't wait to hear a quality response to this question.   Why do you think that its okay for a tribal member to get a much lower punishment than an American caught doing the same crime?  Is this not discrimination?  If you think its okay then why do you think discirmination is okay??

I don't think its ok but that's the way it is.  Maybe they should change your fines so you could be in common with the Native Americans of the United States. SO is it discrimination because Washington's fines are not the same as Oregon? Are we not all Americans? Or are you Immigrant Americans from Oregon, Immigrant Americans from Washington and Native Americans from Yakama Reservation of the United States?