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Re: Will you use Luminocks?
« Reply #135 on: February 09, 2012, 11:47:01 AM »
There is a pretty big difference between us and most of them other states.  Most of the other states have not pitted the user groups against each other as this state has.  Almost all of those other 44 states where they are legal, a person can buy a archery permit, a rifle permit and a muzzleloader permit. 


...and in many of those other states there are too many deer and game departments encourage anything that may increase the number of deer taken.
I'd just like to remind everybody that it's about the hunting, not just the killing. In other words, it's about the total experience, the sport itself and the challenge involved. Bowhunting, done right, is a justifiable and honorable pursuit. Done for the wrong reasons, simply chalking up kills and seeking personal glory, it's taking away rather than giving back to a principled way of life that has to be experienced to be understood. G.StCharles

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Re: Will you use Luminocks?
« Reply #136 on: February 09, 2012, 11:53:40 AM »
Respectfully Snapshot, I don't see any connection between lighted nocks and lighted sights or laser broadheads at all.

Electricity. It really is that simple. Cross that line and there is no way to predict where we'll wind up.
I'd just like to remind everybody that it's about the hunting, not just the killing. In other words, it's about the total experience, the sport itself and the challenge involved. Bowhunting, done right, is a justifiable and honorable pursuit. Done for the wrong reasons, simply chalking up kills and seeking personal glory, it's taking away rather than giving back to a principled way of life that has to be experienced to be understood. G.StCharles

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Re: Will you use Luminocks?
« Reply #137 on: February 09, 2012, 12:16:03 PM »
A lot of folks will never understand why some of us who only bowhunt see this as a dangerous precedent. I happen to know having talked to many non-hunters, in fact some who are downright squeamish about hunting, that archery hunting in its purest form is more respected by those people than are the methods that don't give the animal as good a chance of escaping unharmed. They see old-fashioned archery hunting as a fair fight.

So just exactly what is "archery hunting in it's purest form"?

From my perspective, and based solely upon my personal experiences, its using a simple stick and a string similar to that carried by Compton, Hill, Young, Pope, Stevenson and Duryee. What Olympians use yet today; a resilient piece of material strung taunt with a string which when bent and then released transfers the energy stored in the bent limbs to the arrow shaft to send it down range.
I'd just like to remind everybody that it's about the hunting, not just the killing. In other words, it's about the total experience, the sport itself and the challenge involved. Bowhunting, done right, is a justifiable and honorable pursuit. Done for the wrong reasons, simply chalking up kills and seeking personal glory, it's taking away rather than giving back to a principled way of life that has to be experienced to be understood. G.StCharles

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Re: Will you use Luminocks?
« Reply #138 on: February 09, 2012, 12:35:08 PM »
Just wondering when the technology will come that will light up bullets out of our rifles so we can see where they go to!   :IBCOOL:

They exist and are called tracers
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Re: Will you use Luminocks?
« Reply #139 on: February 09, 2012, 12:53:43 PM »
Here are all the changes proposed to WAC 232-12-054 Archery requirements- Archery special use permits: see i (b) for illuminocks

WAC 232-12-054 Archery requirements - Archery special use permits.
Purpose of the proposal and its anticipated effects, including any changes in existing rules: This
proposed amendment is intended to further the discussion on allowing illuminated nocks for archery
equipment.
Reasons supporting proposal: This proposal facilitates public discussion of new technologies and
consideration of acceptable fair chase and ethical standards for hunting.

Current wording of WAC-12-054 (1) (b):  (b) It is unlawful to have any electrical equipment or electric device(s) attached to the bow or arrow while hunting.

AMENDATORY SECTION (Amending Order 10-94, filed 4/30/10, effective
5/31/10)
WAC 232-12-054 Archery requirements--Archery special use
permits.
(1) Rules pertaining to all archery hunting seasons:
(a) It is unlawful for any person to carry or have in his
possession any firearm while in the field archery hunting, during an archery season specified for that area, except for modern handguns carried for personal protection. Modern handguns cannot be used to hunt big game or dispatch wounded big game during an archery, big game hunting season.
(b) It is unlawful to have any electrical equipment or
electric device(s) attached to the bow or arrow while hunting
except for illuminated nocks.
(c) It is unlawful to shoot a bow and arrow from a vehicle or
from, across, or along the maintained portion of a public highway,except that persons with a disabled hunter permit may shoot from a vehicle if the hunter is in compliance with WAC 232-12-828.
(d) It is unlawful to use any device secured to or supported by the bow for the purpose of maintaining the bow at full draw or in a firing position, except that persons with an archery special use permit may hunt game birds or game animals using a device that stabilizes and holds a long bow, recurve bow, or compound bow at a full draw, and may use a mechanical or electrical release.
(e) It is unlawful to hunt wildlife with a crossbow during an
archery season. However, disabled hunter permittees in possession of a crossbow special use permit may hunt with a crossbow in any season that allows archery equipment.
(f) It is unlawful to hunt big game animals with any arrow or
bolt that does not have a sharp broadhead, and the broadhead blade or blades are less than seven-eighths inch wide.
(g) It is unlawful to hunt big game animals with a broadhead
blade unless the broadhead is unbarbed and completely closed at the back end of the blade or blades by a smooth, unbroken surface starting at maximum blade width and forming a smooth line toward the feather end of the shaft, and such line does not angle toward the point.
(h) It is unlawful to hunt big game animals with a retractable broadhead.
(i) It is unlawful to hunt wildlife with any bow ((or crossbow)) equipped with a scope. However, hunters with disabilities who meet the definition of being visually impaired in WAC 232-12-828 may receive a special use permit that would allow the use of scopes or other visual aids. A disabled hunter permit
holder in possession of a special use permit that allows the use of a scope or visual aid may hunt game birds or game animals during archery seasons.
[ 2 ] OTS-4569.1
(2) Rules pertaining to long bow, recurve bow and compound bow
archery:
(a) It is unlawful for any person to hunt big game animals with a bow that does not produce a minimum of 40 pounds of pull measured at twenty-eight inches or less draw length.
(b) It is unlawful to hunt big game animals with any arrow measuring less than 20 inches in length or weighing less than 6
grains per pound of draw weight with a minimum arrow weight of 300 grains.
(3) Archery special use permits:
(a) An archery special use permit is available to a person who possesses a valid disabled hunter permit. An archery special use permit application must be signed by a physician stating that the person's disability is permanent and the person has a loss of use of one or both upper extremities, has a significant limitation in the use of an upper extremity, or has a permanent physical limitation, which loss or limitation substantially impairs the ability to safely hold, grasp, or shoot a long bow, recurve bow orcompound bow. The loss or limitation may be the result of, but not limited to, amputation, paralysis, diagnosed disease, or birth defect. The approved archery special use permit must be in the physical possession of the person while using adaptive archery equipment as described in subsection (1)(d) of this section to hunt game birds or game animals.
(b) A crossbow special use permit is available to a person who meets the requirements for an archery special use permit and is unable to use adaptive archery equipment. Adaptive equipment includes, but is not limited to: Cocking devices that hold the bow at full draw; trigger mechanisms that may be released by mouth, or chin, or hand supporting the bow; and devices that assist insupporting the bow. Information describing types of adaptive equipment will be provided to physicians for their assessment of the applicant's ability to utilize adaptive archery equipment.Muscle weakness, impaired range of motion, or unilateral hand weakness disability, of both hands or both arms or both sides of the upper extremity, may result in an inability to use adaptive archery equipment. Standard tests approved by the American Medical Association may be conducted to assess a person's abilities.
(4) A violation of this section is punishable under RCW
77.15.400, 77.15.410, or 77.15.430, depending on the species hunted.
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Re: Will you use Luminocks?
« Reply #140 on: February 09, 2012, 01:04:33 PM »
Electricity. It really is that simple. Cross that line and there is no way to predict where we'll wind up.

  Well with an overwhelming 88% in favor poll, I guess we will see won't we.

 It will be very difficult for WDFW to turn it down with that kind of response.
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Re: Will you use Luminocks?
« Reply #141 on: February 09, 2012, 01:06:58 PM »
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..and in many of those other states there are too many deer and game departments encourage anything that may increase the number of deer taken.
well a lighted nok WILL NOT help you harvest anything. period!

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Electricity. It really is that simple. Cross that line and there is no way to predict where we'll wind up.

I am sick off this paranoid BS the people asked for lighted noks, simply that is why its been looked at in to making them legal.
They just did not pull it out there ass.
I don't see one thread discussing or asking to make lighted sights, bow mounted range finders, lazier tipped broad heads.....ext  legal. Common sense should and shall prevail  :dunno:

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Re: Will you use Luminocks?
« Reply #142 on: February 09, 2012, 01:14:16 PM »
Getting away from the original post a bit, eh? The debate about whether it should be legal is quite late. This one is whether or not you'll use them.
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Re: Will you use Luminocks?
« Reply #143 on: February 09, 2012, 01:51:21 PM »
We can all stop fighting about it now, it's a done deal.  We can say the fat lady hasn't sung yet, but she sure has cleared her throat.....it's a done deal.  So on to bigger issues.  For those against this proposal, I hope and pray our fears turn out to be unfounded.
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Re: Will you use Luminocks?
« Reply #144 on: February 09, 2012, 02:41:52 PM »
I would use them for hunting if I could justify the cost of each one....    :yike:     As of yet I'm not proficient enough with my bow so I don't hunt with it....   :twocents:

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Re: Will you use Luminocks?
« Reply #145 on: February 09, 2012, 02:49:11 PM »
We can all stop fighting about it now, it's a done deal.  We can say the fat lady hasn't sung yet, but she sure has cleared her throat.....it's a done deal.  So on to bigger issues.  For those against this proposal, I hope and pray our fears turn out to be unfounded.

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Re: Will you use Luminocks?
« Reply #146 on: February 09, 2012, 03:14:41 PM »
i dont need that kind of garbage giving my location away to the ever watching satelittes(insert tinfoil head) but on a serious note, i have no need for something  like this. maybe in forty yeafrs when i cant see my arrow, but not now. takes the fun out of it

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Re: Will you use Luminocks?
« Reply #147 on: February 09, 2012, 03:25:05 PM »
My arrows are so slow that I use darker colors to keep the animals from seeing the arrow coming at them.

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Re: Will you use Luminocks?
« Reply #148 on: February 09, 2012, 03:37:07 PM »
 :chuckle: :chuckle:
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Re: Will you use Luminocks?
« Reply #149 on: February 09, 2012, 03:37:39 PM »
Never shot them so I'll probably try them out.

 


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