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Re: Buffalo Bore 9mm outdoorsman
« Reply #15 on: April 13, 2021, 06:51:51 PM »
It's all I ever shoot out of my m20. My results don't stack up with a lot of other people's experiences.
  I'd read about the Glock polygonal rifling and lack of accuracy.  Horror stories of guns blowing up due to excessive leading.

 But the truth is, mine shoots fine, functions and is not excessively dirty at all. It's not really "hard cast". It's just lead and rin to make it hard. It doesn't really glaze the barrel like a traditional lead cast bullet.

  At least in 10mm, it takes a lot of organic material to slow those slugs down.
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Re: Buffalo Bore 9mm outdoorsman
« Reply #16 on: April 13, 2021, 08:03:16 PM »
If youíre gonna buy a new gun for bears, go get a keltec pmr-30. 30 rounds of 22 mag and itís super light/accurate. I know quite a few guys packing those for the bears we have here.

I used to want a pmr 30 but I heard those have a bunch of issues, 22wmr from a pistol seems to just be the same ballistics from 22lr from a rifle

If I were to go with a 22 for bears Iíd just get a North American arms companion pistol with 22 shorts, all you gotta do is be able to outrun your buddy right? :chuckle:

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Re: Buffalo Bore 9mm outdoorsman
« Reply #17 on: April 13, 2021, 08:10:29 PM »
Buffalo Bore makes good stuff.  I shoot their 180gr hard cast out of my 357mag.  It's a stout load.  Haven't had any leading issues or anything.  No accuracy issues either.  I've had a few conversations with the owner Tim, and he's a good guy.  He usually responds fairly quickly if you have questions. 

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Re: Buffalo Bore 9mm outdoorsman
« Reply #18 on: April 13, 2021, 08:17:58 PM »
Works on grouse too. I often choose my 9mm over my 10mm because of the sight.

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Re: Buffalo Bore 9mm outdoorsman
« Reply #19 on: April 13, 2021, 08:29:25 PM »
I picked up the Buffalo Bore +p .45 ACP loads a couple years ago, before the panic, and love them! They work great in my Kimber Ultra Carry, and I have heard a lot of good things about the hard cast lead bullets.  :twocents:

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Re: Buffalo Bore 9mm outdoorsman
« Reply #20 on: April 14, 2021, 06:10:52 AM »
If youíre gonna buy a new gun for bears, go get a keltec pmr-30. 30 rounds of 22 mag and itís super light/accurate. I know quite a few guys packing those for the bears we have here.

I used to want a pmr 30 but I heard those have a bunch of issues, 22wmr from a pistol seems to just be the same ballistics from 22lr from a rifle

If I were to go with a 22 for bears Iíd just get a North American arms companion pistol with 22 shorts, all you gotta do is be able to outrun your buddy right? :chuckle:

Ya I wanted one real bad until I shot my friends. They throw an impressive fire ball out the muzzle and you realize thatís all the powder being wasted by the short barrel. Same reason why I wouldnít buy 5.56 pistol you lose like 1,000 fps and now you might as well have a 10mm which I have. Impressive round for sure. I currently only have the le high extreme penetrators.

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Re: Buffalo Bore 9mm outdoorsman
« Reply #21 on: April 15, 2021, 11:32:24 AM »
How many black bear attacks in the west the last 10 years?
I don't know, but I'm guessing not many.

Well when are you are trying to kill them the odds go up considerably.

9mm with high cap is fine for hiking or hunting deer.

After seeing how much damage a black bear can take I would say that 10mm is bare minimum if you are calling them in. If I were to fish near grizzlies in Alaska I would want a short shotgun. Yes a guide killed one with a 9mm but that was reckless. He actually had a 44 mag but didn't feel like taking it.

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« Reply #22 on: April 15, 2021, 01:22:37 PM »
I can tell you from personal experience that 9mm JHP from a G19 does not penetrate elk hide. Thatís partly why I carry 10mm.


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Re: Buffalo Bore 9mm outdoorsman
« Reply #23 on: April 15, 2021, 06:34:30 PM »
I can tell you from personal experience that 9mm JHP from a G19 does not penetrate elk hide. Thatís partly why I carry 10mm.


I'm sure a lead cast would work but what I was trying to say is that 9mm is fine for bear defense while hunting deer. I would only bother with 10mm or 357 if you are actually going out and looking for bears. Nothing wrong with buying one for fun but I don't see it as required equipment for hunting or hiking in Washington.

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Re: Buffalo Bore 9mm outdoorsman
« Reply #24 on: April 15, 2021, 06:54:27 PM »
I can tell you from personal experience that 9mm JHP from a G19 does not penetrate elk hide. Thatís partly why I carry 10mm.


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Re: Buffalo Bore 9mm outdoorsman
« Reply #25 on: April 16, 2021, 07:17:38 AM »
I can tell you from personal experience that 9mm JHP from a G19 does not penetrate elk hide. Thatís partly why I carry 10mm.


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Yes. My first elk harvest which was also my first big game harvest, my second time ever seeing a herd of elk and after two hits of .308 he still wasnít dead. I caught up him and he was expiring. Unsure of if I should shoot him again with my rifle standing directly over him or  use my handgun, i chose my handgun thinking there would be less meat damage. Two rounds and heís acting like nothing happened and heís still alive. A few minutes later heís dead.

The next day while fleshing the hide, I find both bullets in the same side I shot him on.


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Re: Buffalo Bore 9mm outdoorsman
« Reply #26 on: April 16, 2021, 04:21:50 PM »
I can tell you from personal experience that 9mm JHP from a G19 does not penetrate elk hide. Thatís partly why I carry 10mm.


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Yes. My first elk harvest which was also my first big game harvest, my second time ever seeing a herd of elk and after two hits of .308 he still wasnít dead. I caught up him and he was expiring. Unsure of if I should shoot him again with my rifle standing directly over him or  use my handgun, i chose my handgun thinking there would be less meat damage. Two rounds and heís acting like nothing happened and heís still alive. A few minutes later heís dead.

The next day while fleshing the hide, I find both bullets in the same side I shot him on.


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Jhp are a poor choice for a hunting round obviously but they didnít even penetrate the hide? I find that hard to believe considering they will shoot through plywood and then some just fine. But a hard cast or extreme penetrator probably would have ended up in hide on the opposite side.

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Re: Buffalo Bore 9mm outdoorsman
« Reply #27 on: April 17, 2021, 04:19:43 PM »
I can tell you from personal experience that 9mm JHP from a G19 does not penetrate elk hide. Thatís partly why I carry 10mm.


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Yes. My first elk harvest which was also my first big game harvest, my second time ever seeing a herd of elk and after two hits of .308 he still wasnít dead. I caught up him and he was expiring. Unsure of if I should shoot him again with my rifle standing directly over him or  use my handgun, i chose my handgun thinking there would be less meat damage. Two rounds and heís acting like nothing happened and heís still alive. A few minutes later heís dead.

The next day while fleshing the hide, I find both bullets in the same side I shot him on.


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Jhp are a poor choice for a hunting round obviously but they didnít even penetrate the hide? I find that hard to believe considering they will shoot through plywood and then some just fine. But a hard cast or extreme penetrator probably would have ended up in hide on the opposite side.

I wouldn't tell the story if it weren't true.
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Re: Buffalo Bore 9mm outdoorsman
« Reply #28 on: April 17, 2021, 04:59:06 PM »
I can tell you from personal experience that 9mm JHP from a G19 does not penetrate elk hide. Thatís partly why I carry 10mm.


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Yes. My first elk harvest which was also my first big game harvest, my second time ever seeing a herd of elk and after two hits of .308 he still wasnít dead. I caught up him and he was expiring. Unsure of if I should shoot him again with my rifle standing directly over him or  use my handgun, i chose my handgun thinking there would be less meat damage. Two rounds and heís acting like nothing happened and heís still alive. A few minutes later heís dead.

The next day while fleshing the hide, I find both bullets in the same side I shot him on.


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Jhp are a poor choice for a hunting round obviously but they didnít even penetrate the hide? I find that hard to believe considering they will shoot through plywood and then some just fine. But a hard cast or extreme penetrator probably would have ended up in hide on the opposite side.


I wouldn't tell the story if it weren't true.

When I first read that you didn't penetrate elk hide i thought that was crazy. 

I was going to respond about how unbelievable that is, but I believe you to be a truth telling man so I didn't know how to say it.

I do believe you. 
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Re: Buffalo Bore 9mm outdoorsman
« Reply #29 on: April 17, 2021, 06:43:35 PM »
Jhp are a poor choice for a hunting round obviously but they didnít even penetrate the hide? I find that hard to believe considering they will shoot through plywood and then some just fine. But a hard cast or extreme penetrator probably would have ended up in hide on the opposite side.

It's because the plywood is brittle and cracks under pressure while the elk is a mass of hide and muscle that flexes and absorbs the energy of the hollow point as it pancakes.

These defensive handgun hollow points really aren't designed for large game animals.

 


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