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Re: WDFW Spring Bear 2022 cancelled!
« Reply #315 on: December 01, 2021, 12:53:08 PM »
Do we know if anyone has submitted a formal petition mentioned at the end of the article?

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Re: WDFW Spring Bear 2022 cancelled!
« Reply #316 on: December 01, 2021, 01:02:50 PM »
Do we know if anyone has submitted a formal petition mentioned at the end of the article?
I know  a member from here either has or is in the process of doing so.
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Re: WDFW Spring Bear 2022 cancelled!
« Reply #317 on: December 01, 2021, 01:04:27 PM »
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Re: WDFW Spring Bear 2022 cancelled!
« Reply #318 on: December 01, 2021, 01:10:15 PM »
In archery we have something like the way of the superior man. When the archer misses the center of the target, he turns round and seeks for the cause of his failure in himself. 

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Re: WDFW Spring Bear 2022 cancelled!
« Reply #320 on: December 01, 2021, 01:20:49 PM »
Just a quick Facebook search and found Lorna Smith is FB friends with Mitch Friedman, the head of Conservation Northwest.
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Re: WDFW Spring Bear 2022 cancelled!
« Reply #321 on: December 01, 2021, 01:54:08 PM »
Just a quick Facebook search and found Lorna Smith is FB friends with Mitch Friedman, the head of Conservation Northwest.

Shocker!
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Re: WDFW Spring Bear 2022 cancelled!
« Reply #322 on: December 01, 2021, 06:12:28 PM »
I have not submitted it

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Re: WDFW Spring Bear 2022 cancelled!
« Reply #323 on: December 01, 2021, 08:02:13 PM »
To clarify. The open public comment period is December 3rd at 9am. If I'm wrong someone correct me.
https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/commission/meetings/2021/02december2021-fwc-agenda

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Re: WDFW Spring Bear 2022 cancelled!
« Reply #324 on: December 01, 2021, 10:39:49 PM »
I see this spring bear vote as flawed.  The Commission violated its own procedures during the meeting.

  • Why was the Vice Chair Barbara Baker, and ardent anti, chairing the meeting, with the Commission Chair Larry Carpenter present?
  • Why was Barbara Barker acting as Chair and parliamentarian, a violation of the Commission's rules, and any rules of running a meeting?
  • Prior to the vote, during the Commission on public testimony, Chair Carpenter said that written testimony was given equal weight to oral testimony, and Chair Carpenter even extended the time for written testimony to December 1, 2021, yet during the vote the only thing that was mentioned was that the anti's came out 51 - 2 at the meeting and that swayed the Commissioners, where was the weight of the written testimony that the hunters sent in mass?
  • In 2021 spring bear vote, Larry Carpenter voted yes with the 8 - 1 majority, did the science really change that much in one year where would have vote changed?  Who was pushing his buttons?

Review RCW 77.04.020

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RCW 77.04.020
Composition of department—Powers and duties.
The department consists of the state fish and wildlife commission and the director. The commission may delegate to the director any of the powers and duties vested in the commission.

Why wasn't a motion made by a member of the Commission to let the Director be an emergency Director with an empty Commission seat pursuant to RCW 77.04.020 to break the tie?

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Pages 7 & 8 of the Commission's Parliamentary Procedures:
The will of the majority must be carried out, and the rights of the minority must be preserved.

Why wasn't any Commissioner given a chance to do this?

Larry Carpenter is the real focus of this spring bear vote.  He is the villain.  So many questions swirl around him.  He stabbed us in the back.  If he would have voted yes like he did in 2021, we wouldn't even be discussing this.

BTW, points brought to the Commission must be concise and clear.
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Re: WDFW Spring Bear 2022 cancelled!
« Reply #325 on: December 03, 2021, 11:09:23 AM »
Any word on how the meeting is going as far as spring bear discussion?
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Re: WDFW Spring Bear 2022 cancelled!
« Reply #326 on: December 03, 2021, 11:18:11 AM »
Any word on how the meeting is going as far as spring bear discussion?

We had some great articulate comments (despite then being labeled personal attacks), and a guy talking about bullfrogs which was entertaining.

We are getting noticed, we must continue to pressure them.

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Re: WDFW Spring Bear 2022 cancelled!
« Reply #327 on: December 03, 2021, 11:23:30 AM »
https://www.themeateater.com/conservation/wildlife-management/spring-bear-hunts-cancelled-in-washington-state

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Readers can also contact the WDFW commission directly via email, at commission@dfw.wa.gov, or by phone at 360-902-2267.

There is also a formal petition form on WDFW’s website for anyone seeking to repeal a state administrative rule. According to Commissioner Thorburn, all such petitions must be addressed by the committee.

“Our rules can be petitioned,” she said. “I don’t know if it could happen fast enough, but there’s a whole process and we have to respond to a rule petition. I think it’s a 60-day turnaround. That’s a process that I haven’t seen anybody consider yet.”

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Is there any way this petition process can be used regarding the points you made in your last post?

Another point of contention for me, these controversial votes seem to occur when hunters are busy with hunting season!
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Re: WDFW Spring Bear 2022 cancelled!
« Reply #328 on: December 03, 2021, 11:31:32 AM »
To clarify. The open public comment period is December 3rd at 9am. If I'm wrong someone correct me.
https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/commission/meetings/2021/02december2021-fwc-agenda

This was a good article, thanks for posting
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Re: WDFW Spring Bear 2022 cancelled!
« Reply #329 on: December 03, 2021, 11:33:49 AM »
Any word on how the meeting is going as far as spring bear discussion?

We had some great articulate comments (despite then being labeled personal attacks), and a guy talking about bullfrogs which was entertaining.

We are getting noticed, we must continue to pressure them.

I noticed the same thing labeling them as personal attacks. Guess they don't know the difference between facts and opinions.

Of course Lorna Smith gave the same regurgitated response stating its "my opinion" in her rebuttal to all the criticism she is receiving. The fact is she will not change her position either way. She is anti predator hunting and anti hunting overall. Her responses to yesterday's meeting on the Blue Mountain elk population and comment about why they are looking at removing lions instead of reducing harvest opportunities should reaffirm that. She's a cancer that will not go away unless we keep at it until she's removed.  :twocents:

 


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