Holy moly!

[hdshot]

And some wonder why I am losing confidence in our sport! 😡

[Dan-o]

What about this video has you losing confidence in waterfowl hunting?
(I would say in "our sport", but I thought you gave up waterfowling?)

Young kid made a mistake.
He owned it in the video.
He paid a substantial fine ($3,300 for some geese).
He loses hunting privileges for 1 year.

Most of us have made mistakes.    I have.

What would you have handled differently?

[Rainier10]

Good job taking his lumps and hopefully saving someone from making the same mistake.

[hdshot]

What about this video has you losing confidence in waterfowl hunting?
(I would say in "our sport", but I thought you gave up waterfowling?)

Young kid made a mistake.
He owned it in the video.
He paid a substantial fine ($3,300 for some geese).
He loses hunting privileges for 1 year.

Most of us have made mistakes.    I have.

What would you have handled differently?

Took his guns, courts dates, and lawyers just for some local geese when open for season just happens not to be that field. I could understand if hunting in the month of May but way of an over reach especially if clean record.  Should have just been ticketed and birds confiscated.  Loses year of hunting when people run stop signs, accidentally kill people, and just get a ticket as long as they aren’t intoxicated!

Whether a person hunts or not it’s our sport, just common knowledge. then you ask me how I would handle it? 

[bigtex]

What about this video has you losing confidence in waterfowl hunting?
(I would say in "our sport", but I thought you gave up waterfowling?)

Young kid made a mistake.
He owned it in the video.
He paid a substantial fine ($3,300 for some geese).
He loses hunting privileges for 1 year.

Most of us have made mistakes.    I have.

What would you have handled differently?

Took his guns, courts dates, and lawyers just for some local geese when open for season just happens not to be that field. I could understand if hunting in the month of May but way of an over reach especially if clean record.  Should have just been ticketed and birds confiscated.  Loses year of hunting when people run stop signs, accidentally kill people, and just get a ticket as long as they aren’t intoxicated!

Whether a person hunts or not it’s our sport, just common knowledge. then you ask me how I would handle it?

I hear the video differently. Sounds like he was given a $200 or $300 ticket and would lose his license for a year. He didn't want to lose his license, so he took it to court which means the judge now has full authority to tack on additional penalties, which he did. In most states the ticket fines are at a lower level to essentially have the person settle the case without going to court.

I don't know SD law, but in most states if the offense requires a license suspension it cannot be waived by a judge. He should have paid his ticket and sat out for a year. Instead now he has to pay lawyer fees, a significantly higher fine, and still sit out for a year.

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[Rainier10]

I think the other thing in play here is it’s not Washington state. I applaud other states for handing out stiffer penalties for infractions. I think more of that here would get the word out to others not to do it.

[metlhead]

Sounds like a simple mistake that cost some time and money. No foul play on court's side as it didn't seem they were intetested in hammering this fella. By the book as it should be. LEO has to be careful giving grace. Although it stings, betcha this young fella is thankful that his game department is doing what he pays for.

[Dan-o]

Sounds like a simple mistake that cost some time and money. No foul play on court's side as it didn't seem they were intetested in hammering this fella. By the book as it should be. LEO has to be careful giving grace. Although it stings, betcha this young fella is thankful that his game department is doing what he pays for.

I agree.

In this video the kid even said he's become friends with that game warden that got him.
He was sheepish about his mistake - as I would be.
Seems like the right outcome.

[hdshot]

We can’t miss the point he made at the end of the video.  One side of the road you can face gun confrontation, lose hunting privileges, court dates, lawyer fees, tickets, and possibly more.  But on the other side you are good but changes every year.  I feel bad for landowners that could face the same harsh punishment while their neighbors are legal but last year all landowners in the area were open to hunt possibly.  Don’t need to understand anything to say that’s messed up.

[Rainier10]

But there has to be a line.  Close to the line doesn’t mean it’s okay to hunt.

I get the frustration of a moving target every year. Fishing in Washington rules change by the day but you have to follow the rules.

[Karl Blanchard]

He broke the law and took his lumps. I'm not seeing any issue here

We can’t miss the point he made at the end of the video.  One side of the road you can face gun confrontation, lose hunting privileges, court dates, lawyer fees, tickets, and possibly more.  But on the other side you are good but changes every year.  I feel bad for landowners that could face the same harsh punishment while their neighbors are legal but last year all landowners in the area were open to hunt possibly.  Don’t need to understand anything to say that’s messed up.

Most game management unit boundaries involve roads so obviously one side is open and one side may be closed. It's all in black and white in states rules and regs. They aren't hard to decipher.  If you can read, you can figure out what's open and what's closed.

Not trying to be rude hdshot but literally all you do on this forum is post anything doom and glume you can find on waterfowl hunting and complain about your ex partner. If you think it's really that bad then find another hobby. You can choose to be a glass half full kind of guy or a glass half empty.  Life is too short to be a glass half empty type of person. Please for your own health find something that makes you a glass half full kind of human

[hdshot]

He broke the law and took his lumps. I'm not seeing any issue here

We can’t miss the point he made at the end of the video.  One side of the road you can face gun confrontation, lose hunting privileges, court dates, lawyer fees, tickets, and possibly more.  But on the other side you are good but changes every year.  I feel bad for landowners that could face the same harsh punishment while their neighbors are legal but last year all landowners in the area were open to hunt possibly.  Don’t need to understand anything to say that’s messed up.

Most game management unit boundaries involve roads so obviously one side is open and one side may be closed. It's all in black and white in states rules and regs. They aren't hard to decipher.  If you can read, you can figure out what's open and what's closed.

Not trying to be rude hdshot but literally all you do on this forum is post anything doom and glume you can find on waterfowl hunting and complain about your ex partner. If you think it's really that bad then find another hobby. You can choose to be a glass half full kind of guy or a glass half empty.  Life is too short to be a glass half empty type of person. Please for your own health find something that makes you a glass half full kind of human

I’m not arguing about he broke the law, just too harsh of a penalty on Canada geese that could cause a deterrent for new people wanting to start hunting especially the ones with no help from other hunters that know and understand how it works.  But if you read would have also noticed didn’t mention anybody I have hunted with or not and ticketed with clean record would have been sufficient.   Don’t know how mentioned landowners got mixed up with a former hunting partner?

[Karl Blanchard]

Read almost any thread you've ever started or participated in and your ex partner is mentioned like 75%+ of the time. Maybe not this thread specifically but a vast majority of the time. You're incredibly negative about waterfowl hunting and seem to look for anything to blame besides yourself. We are masters of our own destiny. You can complain and blame or you can grab your shotgun and go kill birds. It's that simple. Does it take a bit more effort than it used to? Maybe. But there's endless amounts of opportunity on public land there for those willing to go and get it. Full stop.

[Dan-o]

 

[follow maggie]

It’s not a deterrent to new people hunting. When someone takes hunter ed, it’s harped on to read the regs, read the regs, read the read the regs every year! I watched that video last week. He’s a good kid & he knows he made a mistake, one that’s easy to avoid. I’m pretty confident he’ll read the regs every year, from now on.

[follow maggie]

Read almost any thread you've ever started or participated in and your ex partner is mentioned like 75%+ of the time. Maybe not this thread specifically but a vast majority of the time. You're incredibly negative about waterfowl hunting and seem to look for anything to blame besides yourself. We are masters of our own destiny. You can complain and blame or you can grab your shotgun and go kill birds. It's that simple. Does it take a bit more effort than it used to? Maybe. But there's endless amounts of opportunity on public land there for those willing to go and get it. Full stop.

Your old partner lives in your head rent free & probably doesn’t even know it.

[hdshot]

Read almost any thread you've ever started or participated in and your ex partner is mentioned like 75%+ of the time. Maybe not this thread specifically but a vast majority of the time. You're incredibly negative about waterfowl hunting and seem to look for anything to blame besides yourself. We are masters of our own destiny. You can complain and blame or you can grab your shotgun and go kill birds. It's that simple. Does it take a bit more effort than it used to? Maybe. But there's endless amounts of opportunity on public land there for those willing to go and get it. Full stop.

Never had a DWI but know people who have and they didn’t lose their drivers license. 

Refuse to pull wool over anyone’s eyes and talk facts reported from reputable sources such as delta and du. Deflection is not what my destiny will be.

[hdshot]

Read almost any thread you've ever started or participated in and your ex partner is mentioned like 75%+ of the time. Maybe not this thread specifically but a vast majority of the time. You're incredibly negative about waterfowl hunting and seem to look for anything to blame besides yourself. We are masters of our own destiny. You can complain and blame or you can grab your shotgun and go kill birds. It's that simple. Does it take a bit more effort than it used to? Maybe. But there's endless amounts of opportunity on public land there for those willing to go and get it. Full stop.

Your old partner lives in your head rent free & probably doesn’t even know it.

He must be in your head rent free as well because he represents your sport poorly.  Thanks for your dedication!

[Karl Blanchard]

Read almost any thread you've ever started or participated in and your ex partner is mentioned like 75%+ of the time. Maybe not this thread specifically but a vast majority of the time. You're incredibly negative about waterfowl hunting and seem to look for anything to blame besides yourself. We are masters of our own destiny. You can complain and blame or you can grab your shotgun and go kill birds. It's that simple. Does it take a bit more effort than it used to? Maybe. But there's endless amounts of opportunity on public land there for those willing to go and get it. Full stop.

Never had a DWI but know people who have and they didn’t lose their drivers license. 

Refuse to pull wool over anyone’s eyes and talk facts reported from reputable sources such as delta and du. Deflection is not what my destiny will be.

But deflecting is EXACTLY what you are doing. You blame everything but yourself for your lack of success.  That's the very definition of deflection.

[2MANY]

Blame your mom and dad.
Over population is the biggest threat to water and the fowl that call it home.

[hdshot]

Read almost any thread you've ever started or participated in and your ex partner is mentioned like 75%+ of the time. Maybe not this thread specifically but a vast majority of the time. You're incredibly negative about waterfowl hunting and seem to look for anything to blame besides yourself. We are masters of our own destiny. You can complain and blame or you can grab your shotgun and go kill birds. It's that simple. Does it take a bit more effort than it used to? Maybe. But there's endless amounts of opportunity on public land there for those willing to go and get it. Full stop.

Never had a DWI but know people who have and they didn’t lose their drivers license. 

Refuse to pull wool over anyone’s eyes and talk facts reported from reputable sources such as delta and du. Deflection is not what my destiny will be.

But deflecting is EXACTLY what you are doing. You blame everything but yourself for your lack of success.  That's the very definition of deflection.

You are trying to think now!  Thinking hurts at first but gets better with more practice and time.

[follow maggie]

Read almost any thread you've ever started or participated in and your ex partner is mentioned like 75%+ of the time. Maybe not this thread specifically but a vast majority of the time. You're incredibly negative about waterfowl hunting and seem to look for anything to blame besides yourself. We are masters of our own destiny. You can complain and blame or you can grab your shotgun and go kill birds. It's that simple. Does it take a bit more effort than it used to? Maybe. But there's endless amounts of opportunity on public land there for those willing to go and get it. Full stop.

Your old partner lives in your head rent free & probably doesn’t even know it.

He must be in your head rent free as well because he represents your sport poorly.  Thanks for your dedication!

Did you take a stupid pill this morning? Because you are bat *censored* stupid.

[Skillet]

Read almost any thread you've ever started or participated in and your ex partner is mentioned like 75%+ of the time. Maybe not this thread specifically but a vast majority of the time. You're incredibly negative about waterfowl hunting and seem to look for anything to blame besides yourself. We are masters of our own destiny. You can complain and blame or you can grab your shotgun and go kill birds. It's that simple. Does it take a bit more effort than it used to? Maybe. But there's endless amounts of opportunity on public land there for those willing to go and get it. Full stop.

Your old partner lives in your head rent free & probably doesn’t even know it.

He must be in your head rent free as well because he represents your sport poorly.  Thanks for your dedication!

Did you take a stupid pill this morning? Because you are bat *censored* stupid.

How many forum rules are you trying to break in one post?  You guys are just taking his bait, fyi. 

[Karl Blanchard]

Oh I'm painfully aware but good God at some point someone has to say it out loud because we've all been thinking it for a long time now

[Skillet]

Oh I'm painfully aware but good God at some point someone has to say it out loud because we've all been thinking it for a long time now

 

[hdshot]

Oh I'm painfully aware but good God at some point someone has to say it out loud because we've all been thinking it for a long time now

Definitely wasn’t thinking my former hunting partner would come up on this post and no bait traps fyi. 

[hdshot]

Read almost any thread you've ever started or participated in and your ex partner is mentioned like 75%+ of the time. Maybe not this thread specifically but a vast majority of the time. You're incredibly negative about waterfowl hunting and seem to look for anything to blame besides yourself. We are masters of our own destiny. You can complain and blame or you can grab your shotgun and go kill birds. It's that simple. Does it take a bit more effort than it used to? Maybe. But there's endless amounts of opportunity on public land there for those willing to go and get it. Full stop.

Your old partner lives in your head rent free & probably doesn’t even know it.

He must be in your head rent free as well because he represents your sport poorly.  Thanks for your dedication!

Did you take a stupid pill this morning? Because you are bat *censored* stupid.

Took the red pill so I wouldn’t live in a dream state.

[follow maggie]

  that one is funny

[metlhead]

Ignore bad advertising and it will go away like the Beef Lady. Wez gonna kill a bunch of public ducks this year and lookin forward to every minute of it. OP goose kid gets to wait an extra year for trigger time but seems to have a positive attitude and gets to enjoy the outdoor regardless. And, doesn't gotta buy a license! Exactly the folks we need joining the ranks in the field.

[h2ofowlr]

I think this is a good video for everyone especially the younger Instagram & social media hungry generation to see.  Stupidity is not without consequences.  Dreaming of big pile pics vs. reading the regs first, cost him a lot of money and a reality check.  You rarely see influencers eating humble pie on social media.
I see just how many folks don't read the regs every year in my area.  Early goose, you will see young guys open up on flocks of specs coming into the spread, which is closed for early goose.  I know of two individuals that have been ticketed for this due to posting pics on social media afterwards.  How many people have hammer ducks & geese on the split?  Where duck is closed & when the goose is closed.  Witnessed both several times.  Once guy even came back to the ramp at HQ with 3 dark geese on his bow of his boat during the closure. Moral of the story, read the regs, sign up with the WDFW e-mail to get updates on emergency closures as well.  Always good to look at the WDFW if you don't get those e-mails weekly during the season to see any new updates.

[GWP]

We got ticket with no loss of license in SD but it was not from the regs, it was a landowner that flat out lied, which was why no license loss. It was just the word of the land owner that could not be proven either way.
The regs (as has been stated) are as bad in SD as Washington’s fishing laws.
Check, check, check and call F&W if you need to verify.
I did that here on some fishing regs just this week to verify what I was reading. The officer I talked to was glad I called, even though I had read it correctly.
Good on the kid to own it and warn others to read the regs.

[hdshot]

Remember this? Two hunters were only fined according to this forum and didn’t face near the punishment the South Dakota hunter faced for just Canadian geese. Times have changed in such a short time for migratory birds which not totally against but a much bigger burden today than just on the check book.

https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?topic=206029.0

[Rainier10]

Remember this? Two hunters were only fined according to this forum and didn’t face near the punishment the South Dakota hunter faced for just Canadian geese. Times have changed in such a short time for migratory birds which not totally against but a much bigger burden today than just on the check book.

https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?topic=206029.0

Uh, most responses in that thread felt the ounishment was too light and should have been stronger.

Washington case, gentle slap on the hand.

SD case, heavy handed response.

I and I think most prefer the heavy hand.

[ducks4days]

Remember this? Two hunters were only fined according to this forum and didn’t face near the punishment the South Dakota hunter faced for just Canadian geese. Times have changed in such a short time for migratory birds which not totally against but a much bigger burden today than just on the check book.

https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?topic=206029.0

Uh, most responses in that thread felt the ounishment was too light and should have been stronger.

Washington case, gentle slap on the hand.

SD case, heavy handed response.

I and I think most prefer the heavy hand.

I would love to see heavier penalties for wildlife violations across the board.

I also think self-reporting should be the biggest mitigating factor by a long shot. Calling yourself in shows you didnt intend to break the law, and arent trying to hide it. Failing both of those metrics should result in loss of license and require re-taking hunters ed to get it back.

[bigtex]

Remember this? Two hunters were only fined according to this forum and didn’t face near the punishment the South Dakota hunter faced for just Canadian geese. Times have changed in such a short time for migratory birds which not totally against but a much bigger burden today than just on the check book.

https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?topic=206029.0

Uh, most responses in that thread felt the ounishment was too light and should have been stronger.

Washington case, gentle slap on the hand.

SD case, heavy handed response.

I and I think most prefer the heavy hand.

Two different states with two different judicial systems with different penalties. Heck in some states you can still get arrested for running a stop sign...

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[hdshot]

Remember this? Two hunters were only fined according to this forum and didn’t face near the punishment the South Dakota hunter faced for just Canadian geese. Times have changed in such a short time for migratory birds which not totally against but a much bigger burden today than just on the check book.

https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?topic=206029.0

Uh, most responses in that thread felt the ounishment was too light and should have been stronger.

Washington case, gentle slap on the hand.

SD case, heavy handed response.

I and I think most prefer the heavy hand.

Two different states with two different judicial systems with different penalties. Heck in some states you can still get arrested for running a stop sign...

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Swans and Canadian geese fall under federal law and treaties with other countries.  Yes unfortunately states can enforce heavier but thankfully can’t fall below the federal laws.  Good conversation with out smoke screens with hands waving in the air with cups and saucers flying into walls and windows from others speaking in metaphor of course.  None the less huge differences in punishment especially when it comes to a bird that absolutely has no season in our state that should cause no type of confusion.

[bigtex]

Remember this? Two hunters were only fined according to this forum and didn’t face near the punishment the South Dakota hunter faced for just Canadian geese. Times have changed in such a short time for migratory birds which not totally against but a much bigger burden today than just on the check book.

https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?topic=206029.0

Uh, most responses in that thread felt the ounishment was too light and should have been stronger.

Washington case, gentle slap on the hand.

SD case, heavy handed response.

I and I think most prefer the heavy hand.

Two different states with two different judicial systems with different penalties. Heck in some states you can still get arrested for running a stop sign...

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Swans and Canadian geese fall under federal law and treaties with other countries.  Yes unfortunately states can enforce heavier but thankfully can’t fall below the federal laws.  Good conversation with out smoke screens with hands waving in the air with cups and saucers flying into walls and windows from others speaking in metaphor of course.  None the less huge differences in punishment especially when it comes to a bird that absolutely has no season in our state that should cause no type of confusion.

Believe me I know about the MBTA.

Yes states must follow federal law when it comes to seasons, bag limits, etc. But they can enact lesser penalties. As an example under the federal MBTA law any migratory bird violation can result in a $0-$15,000 fine in federal court. Yet under WA law someone who goes over their waterfowl bag limit faces a $0-1,000 fine in state court if they've gone over up to two times their daily bag limit.

You also need to understand it's been damn near impossible to get any wildlife criminal offenses in WA prosecuted for about the past decade which is why WDFW is constantly going to the legislature asking to make certain wildlife crimes infractions (tickets) instead of criminal offenses. It's to the point now that WDFW is proposing to have big game offenses be able to he cited as an infraction, this would've been unthinkable 20 years ago.

For some reason I don't think prosecutors in the Dakotas are facing the outrageous criminal caseload like they are here.

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[hdshot]

Penalties can be different per state but states can’t say there is going to be a 24/7/365 day waterfowl season without bag limits with shooting times around the clock.  Big game for the most part has no federal jurisdiction because they don’t travel across state lines and or into other countries for the most part like migratory birds do.  If someone harms a little humming bird then that person also committed a federal crime and states can enforce their laws as well. 

[ducks4days]

Penalties can be different per state but states can’t say there is going to be a 24/7/365 day waterfowl season without bag limits with shooting times around the clock.  Big game for the most part has no federal jurisdiction because they don’t travel across state lines and or into other countries for the most part like migratory birds do.  If someone harms a little humming bird then that person also committed a federal crime and states can enforce their laws as well.

I hit a hummingbird while riding a motorcycle once, watched it fly right into my helmet. Are you saying I should have called that in?

[metlhead]

My wife's spaniel goes round and round with a male Anna's. Thing owns the yard. Can I smoke it in self defense of property?

[mboyle0828]

@hdshot wanna hunt this season? I think it’d be good for you to get out.

[hdshot]

Penalties can be different per state but states can’t say there is going to be a 24/7/365 day waterfowl season without bag limits with shooting times around the clock.  Big game for the most part has no federal jurisdiction because they don’t travel across state lines and or into other countries for the most part like migratory birds do.  If someone harms a little humming bird then that person also committed a federal crime and states can enforce their laws as well.

I hit a hummingbird while riding a motorcycle once, watched it fly right into my helmet. Are you saying I should have called that in?

They would probably just say that bird learned it’s lesson and it probably won’t do it again. 

[hdshot]

@hdshot wanna hunt this season? I think it’d be good for you to get out.

I have my ears on, my options have turned lol.

[hdshot]

Stumbled onto this YouTube video and they talk about what they did wrong in about the last 2 minutes of the clip and what happened afterward from the game warden.  All professional of course.

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[hdshot]

@hdshot wanna hunt this season? I think it’d be good for you to get out.

I have my ears on, my options have turned lol.

I sure wanted to hear let’s rock, but I guess not. 😏

[mboyle0828]

@hdshot wanna hunt this season? I think it’d be good for you to get out.

I have my ears on, my options have turned lol.

I sure wanted to hear let’s rock, but I guess not. 😏

Can you come to the Westside? I’d be happy to head on East too

[hdshot]

@hdshot wanna hunt this season? I think it’d be good for you to get out.

I have my ears on, my options have turned lol.

I sure wanted to hear let’s rock, but I guess not. 😏

Can you come to the Westside? I’d be happy to head on East too

Oh didn’t think it was a direct invite. Will keep it in mind, Thank you.

[hdshot]

I want to get under them again! 🤩