Wolves do affect business

[AspenBud]

My parents have had deer living on their near acre for years. Every Spring a doe shows up with a fawn or two (twins). Wolves are nowhere near the town they live in. Roosevelt elk moved into the Longview Country club years ago, wolves are nowhere near there. Lots of food however.

[KFhunter]

My parents have had deer living on their near acre for years. Every Spring a doe shows up with a fawn or two (twins). Wolves are nowhere near the town they live in. Roosevelt elk moved into the Longview Country club years ago, wolves are nowhere near there. Lots of food however.

it ain't over by a long shot give it a few years and you'll be screaming for wolf management too

maybe I'll bake you a nice crow pie

[AspenBud]

My parents have had deer living on their near acre for years. Every Spring a doe shows up with a fawn or two (twins). Wolves are nowhere near the town they live in. Roosevelt elk moved into the Longview Country club years ago, wolves are nowhere near there. Lots of food however.

it ain't over by a long shot give it a few years and you'll be screaming for wolf management too

maybe I'll bake you a nice crow pie

I think it's inevitable that will happen. Coyotes will disappear and wolves will replace them, at least in the woods.

[JLS]

My parents have had deer living on their near acre for years. Every Spring a doe shows up with a fawn or two (twins). Wolves are nowhere near the town they live in. Roosevelt elk moved into the Longview Country club years ago, wolves are nowhere near there. Lots of food however.

it ain't over by a long shot give it a few years and you'll be screaming for wolf management too

maybe I'll bake you a nice crow pie

I don't recall anyone one here ever saying we shouldn't manage wolves.

[KFhunter]

My parents have had deer living on their near acre for years. Every Spring a doe shows up with a fawn or two (twins). Wolves are nowhere near the town they live in. Roosevelt elk moved into the Longview Country club years ago, wolves are nowhere near there. Lots of food however.

it ain't over by a long shot give it a few years and you'll be screaming for wolf management too

maybe I'll bake you a nice crow pie

I don't recall anyone one here ever saying we shouldn't manage wolves.

There is no management options available in WA for wolves.

WDFW will never gun them down via helicopter
WDFW will never have a bounty
Trappers cannot use body gripping traps
Poison is illegal everywhere
recreational hunting is ineffective


what wolf management are you talking about JLS?  I'd like to hear your ideas for managing wolves in WA.

[Skyvalhunter]

Why Hunters wolf management of coarse!!

[idaho guy]

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My parents have had deer living on their near acre for years. Every Spring a doe shows up with a fawn or two (twins). Wolves are nowhere near the town they live in. Roosevelt elk moved into the Longview Country club years ago, wolves are nowhere near there. Lots of food however.

it ain't over by a long shot give it a few years and you'll be screaming for wolf management too

maybe I'll bake you a nice crow pie

I don't recall anyone one here ever saying we shouldn't manage wolves.



  A doe and a fawn in the backyard? That has always been the case and I said whitetail deer adapt easily to living in in suburbs etc and probably have done so for an easy meal in someones garden. I also have my neighbors (most live on 20 acres or more) call me all year long about a female lion with a kitten they keep seeing and want me to chase with my dogs. I have not because I dont normally shoot female lions and one with a kitten is obviously not legal. When I lived in montana the elk would come down to the whitefish golf course for food. this was 25 years ago before wolf reintroduciton. So animails follow food no argument. If there is a lot of deer on the outskirts of town lions will be there. Since washington doesnt hunt lions with dogs you might have them in the middle of town I dont know but I am sure they are losing some of their fear of humans. Elk leaving the drainage on the national forest behind my house to live by the highway and the dump is not following a food source. I walked around in the small amount of timber there and it makes no sense other than running from the wolves who have established themselves on the national forest. I see the wolves tracks in the snow fairly regular when checking for cat tracks. I started seeing wolf tracks the elk moved to the dump. We can and try more often than do shoot wolves. They have not as of yet came that close to town. If they try and go from the national forest to the dump they will at least be shot at by more than a few peole. The elk around my house are not an exception and I have seen this with many different groups of elk in North Idaho.         

[KFhunter]

My parents have had deer living on their near acre for years. Every Spring a doe shows up with a fawn or two (twins). Wolves are nowhere near the town they live in. Roosevelt elk moved into the Longview Country club years ago, wolves are nowhere near there. Lots of food however.

it ain't over by a long shot give it a few years and you'll be screaming for wolf management too

maybe I'll bake you a nice crow pie

I think it's inevitable that will happen. Coyotes will disappear and wolves will replace them, at least in the woods.

Who say's coyote will disappear?  That's a misnomer coyote will still be here. 
Even in heavily infested wolf areas of ID there's still plenty of coyote.

Even in YNP the Coyote population went down ya, 30-50% as of 2009 study but now they're saying the Coyote population is mostly recovered.  They had a hard learning curve, but the coyote is exceptionally adaptable and learned to live with wolves.

[JLS]

There is no management options available in WA for wolves.

I guess we're all doomed then.

WDFW will never gun them down via helicopter

Already been done, and I expect it will happen again.

WDFW will never have a bounty

Agreed.

Trappers cannot use body gripping traps

Not likely to change either, how much effort has been put into repealing the initiative?
Poison is illegal everywhere

Point being?

recreational hunting is ineffective

Matter of opinion.  It was effective enough in parts of Wyoming that they reduced their quota.


what wolf management are you talking about JLS?  I'd like to hear your ideas for managing wolves in WA.

I've already stated thoughts and ideas.  You likely weren't listening.

[AspenBud]

My parents have had deer living on their near acre for years. Every Spring a doe shows up with a fawn or two (twins). Wolves are nowhere near the town they live in. Roosevelt elk moved into the Longview Country club years ago, wolves are nowhere near there. Lots of food however.

it ain't over by a long shot give it a few years and you'll be screaming for wolf management too

maybe I'll bake you a nice crow pie

I think it's inevitable that will happen. Coyotes will disappear and wolves will replace them, at least in the woods.

Who say's coyote will disappear?  That's a misnomer coyote will still be here. 
Even in heavily infested wolf areas of ID there's still plenty of coyote.

Even in YNP the Coyote population went down ya, 30-50% as of 2009 study but now they're saying the Coyote population is mostly recovered.  They had a hard learning curve, but the coyote is exceptionally adaptable and learned to live with wolves.

Interesting that they have recovered while the Yellowstone wolf population has gone down.

If wolves really break out in this state, you wait, coyote hunting won't be 365/24/7 for long, at least in some zones.

Fundamentally I agree with you though, coyotes will always be here.

[KFhunter]

There is no management options available in WA for wolves.

I guess we're all doomed then. Well,  YA!

WDFW will never gun them down via helicopter

Already been done, and I expect it will happen again.It's already been stated it'll never happen again

WDFW will never have a bounty

Agreed.

Trappers cannot use body gripping traps

Not likely to change either, how much effort has been put into repealing the initiative?WSTA has been working towards this for many years, to say there is no effort is a slap in the face of WSTA.  They've been successful getting certain body gripping traps on a very limited permit basis - I call that a big victory
Poison is illegal everywhere

Point being?My point being it was very successful in the past as a management tool

recreational hunting is ineffective

Matter of opinion.  It was effective enough in parts of Wyoming that they reduced their quota.It took 28 days for wildlife services -with the aid of a tracking collar- to kill one young female in the wedge, they finally had to resort to a helicopter to "remove" the wedge wolf pack.  You think the average hunter in WA will do a better job than the professionals using a tracking collar?


what wolf management are you talking about JLS?  I'd like to hear your ideas for managing wolves in WA.

I've already stated thoughts and ideas.  You likely weren't listening.missed it I guess, please do indulge me.  Use bullet points if you like.

Listen, your little bit of hunting experience from Montana isn't going to translate well to NE/WA or the rest of the state for that matter.
It does not give you the expertise to speak with authority on what's happening in the NE corner of the state.  I've indulged your opinion out of respect but you do not have the either the desire or will to learn,  at any rate you lack an open mind.   We've went round and round on this.

I'm about done trying to help you understand.

[Bob33]

If wolves really break out in this state, you wait, coyote hunting won't be 365/24/7 for long, at least in some

I think they are planning for that now. I heard a rumor that coyote hunting will be by permit only. There will be five coyote permit categories: Quality Coyote, Antlerless Coyote, Disabled Coyote, Youth Coyote, and Master Hunter Coyote.

[KFhunter]

If wolves really break out in this state, you wait, coyote hunting won't be 365/24/7 for long, at least in some

I think they are planning for that now. I heard a rumor that coyote hunting will be by permit only. There will be five coyote permit categories: Quality Coyote, Antlerless Coyote, Disabled Coyote, Youth Coyote, and Master Hunter Coyote.

Thanks for the chuckle, when do I submit for the governors tag?   

15 years from now I'll have to submit for OIL Coyote tag 

[JLS]

There is no management options available in WA for wolves.

I guess we're all doomed then. Well,  YA!

WDFW will never gun them down via helicopter

Already been done, and I expect it will happen again.It's already been stated it'll never happen again

WDFW will never have a bounty

Agreed.

Trappers cannot use body gripping traps

Not likely to change either, how much effort has been put into repealing the initiative?WSTA has been working towards this for many years, to say there is no effort is a slap in the face of WSTA.  They've been successful getting certain body gripping traps on a very limited permit basis - I call that a big victory

What slap in the face are you talking about?  I asked a simple question.


Poison is illegal everywhere

Point being?My point being it was very successful in the past as a management tool

recreational hunting is ineffective

Matter of opinion.  It was effective enough in parts of Wyoming that they reduced their quota.It took 28 days for wildlife services -with the aid of a tracking collar- to kill one young female in the wedge, they finally had to resort to a helicopter to "remove" the wedge wolf pack.  You think the average hunter in WA will do a better job than the professionals using a tracking collar?

I'm not saying a better job, but recreational hunting will certainly harvest wolves.  Whether that amount is "acceptable" or not is entirely subjective.


what wolf management are you talking about JLS?  I'd like to hear your ideas for managing wolves in WA.

I've already stated thoughts and ideas.  You likely weren't listening.missed it I guess, please do indulge me.  Use bullet points if you like.

No thanks.  You are smarter than me, I'll leave you to freely pontificate our doom.

Listen, your little bit of hunting experience from Montana isn't going to translate well to NE/WA or the rest of the state for that matter.
It does not give you the expertise to speak with authority on what's happening in the NE corner of the state.  I've indulged your opinion out of respect but you do not have the either the desire or will to learn,  at any rate you lack an open mind.   We've went round and round on this.

I'm about done trying to help you understand.

I'm sorry, I must have missed your profound expertise and authority.  Indulge Oh brother.

The only reason I "lack an open mind" is because I don't agree with you.

Shall I go stand on the stree corner with my sign that proclaims the coming apocalypse?

Your condescension only displays your ignorance of what others may be doing to try and help the situation.  

[KFhunter]

You're idea of helping everyone is to tell them "it'll be alright people, I'm still hunting Elk in Montana"

Pretty well sum it up?