Surplus Ammo & Arms

[Drifterat]

$1.00 a cartridge for. 223 and $ .55 for 7.62x39? $1000 for a delton basic upper? $30 for tapco Ak Mag's. $50 for pmags. $210 for a Vortex Strikefire scope? WTF? And not a single firearm for sale in the place. I hope the consumer will remember the AFing we are getting now, 6 months from now. I will not forget.

[cohoho]

Same for Wades....  I won't ever be a customer there again....  Nor Bear Arms in Covington, talk about jacking prices....

[Spikorbust]

Should make a master list of the Good/Fair Priced and Bad/Price Gouging places so when this stuff dies down we can support the fair business.

[SilkOnTheDrySide]

Hate to play devils advocate...but this is simple supply and demand economics...if you aren't due supply as a store for months, you are losing out on potential revenue to keep yourself afloat, therefore you have to increase prices to account for the supply and demand, otherwise you as a store might not make it.

I'm not a store owner just FYI.

[Wenatcheejay]

Buy what you require not for what you hope to sell. 

Just cause you see it for sale at X price does not mean it has to be bought for that.

I love the optimism that things will improve is 6 short months.   

I am thinking more like 2014 at best. But, I would love to be wrong.

The real hero here is our Dear Leader and his pet "legitimate media" who deserves the clap for this snafu. He deserves praise for building his own army (DHS) buying pistol and rifle ammo. To use against the citizenry (cough) I mean to use hollow points to train with and causing real fear (of him) in the people he is supposedly the President of.

I have seen prices for things higher than that. I saw no .223 from Idaho to Wenatchee today. Black Sheep had powders (limit of 2.) They had bullets as well, Some brass. They did have a pallet of S&W .40 target ammo but I did not see a price. They had large rifle primers.
Cabala's had  nothing to speak of. No primers, some .38 cal, they had two boxes of Sierra 55gr 22 cal for $119.
High Mountain in Moses Lake has AR 15 bolt receivers, they have their ammo supply right when you walk in there was a variety of calibers, they have many bullet calibers and a decent amount of powder. No primers.

I do feel the frustration of people but I honestly think that given a choice of trying to price gouge or going back to when there was product of order and sell Business owners would by far and large not have our current situation. Anyone who has ever run a business knows that if you can not order the product you can't sell the product. It makes the cost of all things rise. I have never seen a gun store that runs on .223. But right now all product is hard to get. I started a thread for WTT reloading product. It may be that local people have unused items that will help us all get through this. 

[low97ram]

$1.00 a cartridge for. 223 and $ .55 for 7.62x39? $1000 for a delton basic upper? $30 for tapco Ak Mag's. $50 for pmags. $210 for a Vortex Strikefire scope? WTF? And not a single firearm for sale in the place. I hope the consumer will remember the AFing we are getting now, 6 months from now. I will not forget.

Went in there sat. Supposedly they lost or are being delayed in renewal of FFL so no guns. Did u see .22LR ammo at $55/525 rds?  Lol. 

[KNOPHISH]

Is this Surplusammo.com? 30 rd AR mags were $12 about 2 months ago & now $35. I thought Bear arms was already high priced, but that was awhile ago & the reason I haven't been back.

[Spikorbust]

Hate to play devils advocate...but this is simple supply and demand economics...if you aren't due supply as a store for months, you are losing out on potential revenue to keep yourself afloat, therefore you have to increase prices to account for the supply and demand, otherwise you as a store might not make it.

I'm not a store owner just FYI.

I understand taking advantage for short term gain but your always risking long term success. As a business owner you learn to be loyal to your customers and your customers will be loyal to you. So when I see business do this to piss off there customer base, usually is a business that will not stand behind anything and won't have your back when needed.

[Bean Counter]

Whether they're an online store or a brick and mortar, they probably all have more customers right now. If they aren't increasing the hours of their workforce, hiring new workers, or paying for more shifts, their quality of service is going to decline.

I've seen that with some Midway USA orders recently.  Usually they're pretty good if you want to call or email them to modify a pending order. I had some incoming Glock magazines and I wanted to add a few items to the order. They didn't answer my email before the item shifted and they wouldn't even answer phone calls.  While on one hand its nice that they're trying to keep prices low, they lost out on sales and I may have to pay S&H for two orders now.

Some of you really ought to blame yourselves for not stocking up when the going was good. Venting your frustration at a merchant just seems callow and immature to me. 

[chrisb]

I hope the consumer will remember the AFing we are getting now, 6 months from now. I will not forget.

So tired of hearing this on every forum about "X" store/website and their prices. This is the number one principle of economics folks, supply and demand. Let's also not forget that we live in a capitalist society, and this is capitalism at it's finest. Just because 6 months or 6 years ago you could buy all of this stuff for fractions of the price you pay now does not make it price gouging.

Do you plan on not buying milk from Fred Meyers if the price goes up b/c of last summers drought and feed prices went up or would you just say well the poor farmer has to make a living too?

Did everyone stop living inside to protest the high cost of housing pre 2008? No most people cashed in on it by refinancing to cash out and buy toys or live a life style they couldn't really afford (guilty as charged!)

Who here sold their cars and went to bikes and public transportation b/c gas prices aren't what they were in 2000, or 2004?

If you want to stop supporting a locally owned/run business because they price their items at CURRENT market value and not HISTORICAL value then by all means do, just make sure you apply your economic logic to all things you buy not just who you get ammo/mags from.



Drifterat - Please understand that this is not an attack on you in anyway, I'm just venting b/c I hear the same rant repeatedly from people wanting to pay pre re-election prices. I too wish I could afford to shoot more and buy more mags, but it is what it is for now.

[Wazukie]

I hope the consumer will remember the AFing we are getting now, 6 months from now. I will not forget.

So tired of hearing this on every forum about "X" store/website and their prices. This is the number one principle of economics folks, supply and demand. Let's also not forget that we live in a capitalist society, and this is capitalism at it's finest. Just because 6 months or 6 years ago you could buy all of this stuff for fractions of the price you pay now does not make it price gouging.

Do you plan on not buying milk from Fred Meyers if the price goes up b/c of last summers drought and feed prices went up or would you just say well the poor farmer has to make a living too?

Did everyone stop living inside to protest the high cost of housing pre 2008? No most people cashed in on it by refinancing to cash out and buy toys or live a life style they couldn't really afford (guilty as charged!)

Who here sold their cars and went to bikes and public transportation b/c gas prices aren't what they were in 2000, or 2004?

If you want to stop supporting a locally owned/run business because they price their items at CURRENT market value and not HISTORICAL value then by all means do, just make sure you apply your economic logic to all things you buy not just who you get ammo/mags from.



Drifterat - Please understand that this is not an attack on you in anyway, I'm just venting b/c I hear the same rant repeatedly from people wanting to pay pre re-election prices. I too wish I could afford to shoot more and buy more mags, but it is what it is for now.

Nope, will not buy the milk, cost to much!  Just like I will not drive as much because gas went up AGAIN and just like I will not pay the current price on ammo.  Thank the good lord my daddy taught me how to survive, and thank the good Lord He has allowed me to live in the boonies!

[mountainman]

Just as a point to note, wholesale pricing is also increasing on us dealers.  We would also like to be able to purchase at historic prices but that is no longer available to any of us.

[chrisb]

I hope the consumer will remember the AFing we are getting now, 6 months from now. I will not forget.

So tired of hearing this on every forum about "X" store/website and their prices. This is the number one principle of economics folks, supply and demand. Let's also not forget that we live in a capitalist society, and this is capitalism at it's finest. Just because 6 months or 6 years ago you could buy all of this stuff for fractions of the price you pay now does not make it price gouging.

Do you plan on not buying milk from Fred Meyers if the price goes up b/c of last summers drought and feed prices went up or would you just say well the poor farmer has to make a living too?

Did everyone stop living inside to protest the high cost of housing pre 2008? No most people cashed in on it by refinancing to cash out and buy toys or live a life style they couldn't really afford (guilty as charged!)

Who here sold their cars and went to bikes and public transportation b/c gas prices aren't what they were in 2000, or 2004?

If you want to stop supporting a locally owned/run business because they price their items at CURRENT market value and not HISTORICAL value then by all means do, just make sure you apply your economic logic to all things you buy not just who you get ammo/mags from.



Drifterat - Please understand that this is not an attack on you in anyway, I'm just venting b/c I hear the same rant repeatedly from people wanting to pay pre re-election prices. I too wish I could afford to shoot more and buy more mags, but it is what it is for now.

Nope, will not buy the milk, cost to much!  Just like I will not drive as much because gas went up AGAIN and just like I will not pay the current price on ammo.  Thank the good lord my daddy taught me how to survive, and thank the good Lord He has allowed me to live in the boonies!

Most have cut back... but how many have flat out said I'm not shopping at grocery stores anymore b/c the price went up? How many have given up driving all together? Very few I would guess

[jackelope]

Just because you CAN do something doesn't mean it's ok or that you should do it. My guy says places like the store mentioned above will suffer in the long run.
@mountainman....are your margins the same as what they were a year ago? If so then I won't think less of dealers like you guys. I do know a dealer over here that is jacking their prices way the heck up and laughing all the way to the bank. That is not cool but nobody is telling people they HAVE to run out and pay these extreme prices for this stuff. A lot of business owners will take advantage of this scenario. fortunately for me I have plenty of ammo for all my firearms and don't need any more guns so I have nothing to complain about at this time.

[Spikorbust]

Just because you CAN do something doesn't mean it's ok or that you should do it. My guy says places like the store mentioned above will suffer in the long run.
@mountainman....are your margins the same as what they were a year ago? If so then I won't think less of dealers like you guys. I do know a dealer over here that is jacking their prices way the heck up and laughing all the way to the bank. That is not cool but nobody is telling people they HAVE to run out and pay these extreme prices for this stuff. A lot of business owners will take advantage of this scenario. fortunately for me I have plenty of ammo for all my firearms and don't need any more guns so I have nothing to complain about at this time.

 

Couldn't agree more profit margins are profit margins you have to make money to stay in business. Most of you refer to gas price increase or milk but that's way different then whats going on now. When production cost go up you have no choice but to elevate your prices that's business 101. When your wholesale cost stay the same and you decide to that advantage of your customer base that's another. Small businesses rely on repeat business there is nothing stopping anyone from shopping the box stores but some don't out of loyalty, customer service, or the idea of giving money back to the small man. So the ones that say supply and demand good luck with your business plan because the money you make now you'll have to live on it for awhile.