E-15 gasoline and potential engine damage

[Elkaholic daWg]

  I would just as soon have no ethanol in  my fuels......  From the article...........


http://www.americanmotorcyclist.com/News/13-06-19/Motorcyclists_rally_in_Washington_D_C_seeking_independent_testing_of_E15_fuel_blend.aspx

When they started going on this push for E15, I sent out a letter to all the auto manufacturers, and every last one of them said that using E15 in automobiles manufactured after 2001 would wreck the engines and void the warranties," Sensenbrenner said. "They didn't listen to that. So an EPA mandate [for E15] would mean that a lot of people would end up having very expensive repairs that are not covered by the warranty.

"Corn with a lot of butter is really good to eat," Sensenbrenner added. "But what is good to eat is not good to put in anybody's gas tank."

The risk is just too great for E15 fuel to be sold at the pump, said Stewart.

"The federal government does silly things from time to time, and this is one of them," Stewart said. "You have these beautiful machines out here, and if you put one of these blends in there, you're going to burn up those engines, and the manufacturers won't honor the warranty. It's just not a good idea to have this blend... We're going to challenge the EPA, and I think we're going to have some success."

Griffin noted that E15 isn't fully tested, and should be, before it is allowed to be sold.

"E15 is a disaster in the making," Griffin said. "The research isn't done on whether it's safe. Ethanol is just bad for engines generally, and to take it to E15, which puts at risk a bunch of equipment, as well as your motors, it's just ridiculous."

Valadao said it was important for people to speak out on the issue.

"It's just bad policy in general," Valadao said. "For me to be a part of this, and to have the opportunity to support you, it's an honor, because it's an issue I feel deeply about. You stepping up here means a lot."

Posey agreed that E15 will cause issues for vehicle owners.

"There are three things you need to know about E15: It's bad. It's bad. And it's bad," Posey said. "We all know what it can do to cars. We know what it does to bikes. We know what it does to racecars. We know what it does to motorboats. We know what it does to lawnmowers. It's not good for anything."

Petri noted that several manufacturers had told him of the potential dangers of E15.

"E15 will cause big problems," Petri said. "I say this as someone who comes from a corn-producing state. But we also make Harley-Davidsons in our part of the world. We make Mercury outboard motors in our part of the world. We make an awful lot of small engines for Briggs & Stratton. And the manufacturers of all this equipment tell me [E15] will not work. It will cause a lot of problems, and involve unnecessary expense."

[DoubleJ]

All ethanol is bad.  ALL OF IT.  Drive ethanol free

http://pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov=WA

You pay a little more but your mileage goes up, balancing it out.

[Special T]

I thought the only way to get ethenol free fuel is to purchase premium fuel now. It would appear that burlington skagit farmer supply has it in all octains... The 76 station where i used to get it, along with the gas pump tech from the weights and measurment/repair co said it was to be mandated 10% now and 15% in the near future... what gives?

[DoubleJ]

Depends on the station and their suppliers.  The place I get mine only sells 87 octane E0.  I've seen plenty of stations only selling 91 octane E0 also.

[hdshot]

I thought the only way to get ethenol free fuel is to purchase premium fuel now. It would appear that burlington skagit farmer supply has it in all octains... The 76 station where i used to get it, along with the gas pump tech from the weights and measurment/repair co said it was to be mandated 10% now and 15% in the near future... what gives?

It is a long story.  Basically the EPA mandates that more ethanol has to be used each year.  EPA thought that people would fall in love with flex fuel vehicles and gas use would go up each year when they figured out their ethanol mandates.  But no one likes flex fuels because the milage is bad and gas use is going down but the more ethanol mandates are still in place.  Now the only way to follow the mandates is to but more ethanol in gas.  Also another note, there is no testing to make sure 10% is 10%.  So we can be already using 15% or more because no testing is required to make sure they sticker on the pump is telling the truth.  Also the station can just flat out lie and put more ethanol in our gas and just say 10%.   

[DoubleJ]

I believe the sticker at the pump says "Minimum 10% ethanol" so it could be more without lying.  I'll stick to ethanol free as long as I can

[raydog]

I believe the sticker at the pump says "Minimum 10% ethanol" so it could be more without lying.  I'll stick to ethanol free as long as I can

And it destroys old outboards like no other

[bearpaw]

I believe the sticker at the pump says "Minimum 10% ethanol" so it could be more without lying.  I'll stick to ethanol free as long as I can

And it destroys old outboards like no other

Same with snowmobiles, we go to stations that specify they have non-ethanol fuel. 

[dreamunelk]

The ethanol producers and many farmer who supply them have been lobbying hard for this.  They have a lot of money and money buys politicians.

[ribka]

My gas mpg improves around 18 to 20 per cent  when running ethanol free gas. Noticeably better power too.

All local stations stopped carrying it

What a scam. Less mpg, engine damage and more pollution created by growing corn which require huge amounts of water and carbon based fertilizers.

[hdshot]

I believe the sticker at the pump says "Minimum 10% ethanol" so it could be more without lying.  I'll stick to ethanol free as long as I can

I see lots of stickers say up to 10% but no law requires to make sure the product is as advertised.  Like you say one station can say minimum but the other station on the same street can say just 10% to fool customers away while selling much more ethanol in their gas with out breaking any law and not worry about their gas getting sampled to let customers know the business is telling the truth.   

[TheSkyBuster]

I thought the only way to get ethenol free fuel is to purchase premium fuel now. It would appear that burlington skagit farmer supply has it in all octains... The 76 station where i used to get it, along with the gas pump tech from the weights and measurment/repair co said it was to be mandated 10% now and 15% in the near future... what gives?

The Skagit Farmers Supply Gas Station on Burlington BLVD sells only E-10.   But their Cardlock Station on Park Lane (Behind Skagit Power Sports and next to PSE) Sells Ethanol Free Gasoline (in all 3 octain ratings) for around .30 cents a gallon more than the Burlington Blvd station sells E-10. 

I try to run ethanol free fuel in my Motorcycles, boat motors, and Lawnmower.    Ethanol in fuel draws in moisture and causes gasoline to break down much quicker than normal.  It will also break down rubber fuel lines and plastic or fiberglass fuel tanks causing all kinds of fun things to happen to your motor.   E-10 is bad enough. we definitely don't need E-15

[sumbeech66]

can someone here tell me the requirements for getting a pacific pride card?  The website doesnt give requirements that I could find.

[ImMrBill]

My Ranger P/U, Kia Soul, Mazda and my Harley all get Ethanol free as does all my power equipment. Buy it at a station in Colfax. Usually keep 25 gallons on hand.

[DoubleJ]

can someone here tell me the requirements for getting a pacific pride card?  The website doesnt give requirements that I could find.

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