bad morning at tarbell

[logger]

The pass is great and they get the money in there account.  Ass, gas, or grass it take's money and time to build roads, toilet's, patrol and a whole lot of other items that we don't see done.  Could be like Texas where most of the property is private and you pay to enter.  Time for everyone to look at what we have and maintain it.  When my kids use the property they get the same speech and I expect them to share that with the next generation to come along.  Public property is all of our home's and we pay to maintain our own home's this is no different.

Don't want to take this thread in another direction, but I think the main gripe over this thing (mine included) is that only a very small fraction of the DP's income goes to the land/area that 90% of the money comes from.  Most people wouldn't have a problem with paying a recreational access fee if the money went towards road maintenance, garbage pickup, etc. in the areas that we use the pass. The problem is the pass is basically a subsidy for state parks that the public doesn't want to pay for.  We don't have a problem paying for something we get something in return for.

I'm with alan, my co. is working on 3 different state forest right now and I'm not aware of any improvement in any way as a result of the discover pass.

[sled]

So, are they going to enforce it at all the feeding stations this year?  Because last year I was there and only a handful of vehicles had them out of the 200 hundred trying to park there?  I seen the volunteers at Oak Creek trying to tell some people about the pass but they weren't to receptive.  Lot of money right there.......

They enforced it last year. Last year there was even a State Park Ranger writing tickets at the feed station. So yes, State Park Rangers writing tickets at WDFW areas, and YES this is legal.

   hope they hit it hard again this year then, especially at oak creek areas since I heard alot of people saying expletive things to the volunteers there.  I tossed in my    for the volunteers and a nice conversation took place several times.  Needless to say, lot of money there on any given day waiting to be collected.

  I Agree, But What A Way To Chase Off People That Are Curious And Don't Have A Clue About The Feeding Areas.
  If The State Can Defer A License For A Year To A New Hunter That Should Be The Case For A Viewer Too?

[bobcat]

So, are they going to enforce it at all the feeding stations this year?  Because last year I was there and only a handful of vehicles had them out of the 200 hundred trying to park there?  I seen the volunteers at Oak Creek trying to tell some people about the pass but they weren't to receptive.  Lot of money right there.......

They enforced it last year. Last year there was even a State Park Ranger writing tickets at the feed station. So yes, State Park Rangers writing tickets at WDFW areas, and YES this is legal.

   hope they hit it hard again this year then, especially at oak creek areas since I heard alot of people saying expletive things to the volunteers there.  I tossed in my    for the volunteers and a nice conversation took place several times.  Needless to say, lot of money there on any given day waiting to be collected.

  I Agree, But What A Way To Chase Off People That Are Curious And Don't Have A Clue About The Feeding Areas.
  If The State Can Defer A License For A Year To A New Hunter That Should Be The Case For A Viewer Too?

The state defers the hunter education requirement for a year, not the hunting license. This allows a person to purchase a hunting license where they normally would not be able to do so.

[sled]

So, are they going to enforce it at all the feeding stations this year?  Because last year I was there and only a handful of vehicles had them out of the 200 hundred trying to park there?  I seen the volunteers at Oak Creek trying to tell some people about the pass but they weren't to receptive.  Lot of money right there.......

They enforced it last year. Last year there was even a State Park Ranger writing tickets at the feed station. So yes, State Park Rangers writing tickets at WDFW areas, and YES this is legal.

   hope they hit it hard again this year then, especially at oak creek areas since I heard alot of people saying expletive things to the volunteers there.  I tossed in my    for the volunteers and a nice conversation took place several times.  Needless to say, lot of money there on any given day waiting to be collected.

  I Agree, But What A Way To Chase Off People That Are Curious And Don't Have A Clue About The Feeding Areas.
  If The State Can Defer A License For A Year To A New Hunter That Should Be The Case For A Viewer Too?

The state defers the hunter education requirement for a year, not the hunting license. This allows a person to purchase a hunting license where they normally would not be able to do so.

  Yes Your Right sorry

[billythekidrock]

The pass is great and they get the money in there account.  Ass, gas, or grass it take's money and time to build roads, toilet's, patrol and a whole lot of other items that we don't see done.  Could be like Texas where most of the property is private and you pay to enter.  Time for everyone to look at what we have and maintain it.  When my kids use the property they get the same speech and I expect them to share that with the next generation to come along.  Public property is all of our home's and we pay to maintain our own home's this is no different.

Don't want to take this thread in another direction, but I think the main gripe over this thing (mine included) is that only a very small fraction of the DP's income goes to the land/area that 90% of the money comes from.  Most people wouldn't have a problem with paying a recreational access fee if the money went towards road maintenance, garbage pickup, etc. in the areas that we use the pass. The problem is the pass is basically a subsidy for state parks that the public doesn't want to pay for.  We don't have a problem paying for something we get something in return for.

I agree%!
I wish they split the funds equally.

[Skyvalhunter]

sonds like a complaint to be brought up with your Representative.

[trophyhunt]

The pass is great and they get the money in there account.  Ass, gas, or grass it take's money and time to build roads, toilet's, patrol and a whole lot of other items that we don't see done.  Could be like Texas where most of the property is private and you pay to enter.  Time for everyone to look at what we have and maintain it.  When my kids use the property they get the same speech and I expect them to share that with the next generation to come along.  Public property is all of our home's and we pay to maintain our own home's this is no different.

I couldn't down load the PUKE icon for some reason- insert PUKE here.......   More passes, wtf, we pay enough before we even make it in the woods! Our woods I might add, hunters and fishermen need a free pass with all the licenses and tags we buy!  How about them managing money just a bit better, they always take the easy way out and just pass it down the line to us, the public with seemingly deep pockets. If you like it so much, you should buy some of our passes who don't like it. Ill let you buy mine cause ill never buy one!

[trophyhunt]

So, are they going to enforce it at all the feeding stations this year?  Because last year I was there and only a handful of vehicles had them out of the 200 hundred trying to park there?  I seen the volunteers at Oak Creek trying to tell some people about the pass but they weren't to receptive.  Lot of money right there.......

They enforced it last year. Last year there was even a State Park Ranger writing tickets at the feed station. So yes, State Park Rangers writing tickets at WDFW areas, and YES this is legal.

I used to take the family all the time, no more, and unfortunalty no more donations to the feeding of the elk. f that pass.

   hope they hit it hard again this year then, especially at oak creek areas since I heard alot of people saying expletive things to the volunteers there.  I tossed in my    for the volunteers and a nice conversation took place several times.  Needless to say, lot of money there on any given day waiting to be collected.

[jackmaster]

to be honest, the only people that should be required to buy this pass are the non sportsman, what i mean by that is the people that DO NOT BUY a hunting or fishing license!!! DONT we the sportsman pay enough?? IDK about you guys and gals but with 2 kids and myself, after permit apps for the kids, i dont put myself in anymore, but after the kids and myself i am at 400 and thats definatly on the cheap side, i know other guys that pay more than that just for themselves, plus they buy raffle tickets to, it wouldnt hurt the WDFW or whoever is incharge of this damn discover pass to STAND-UP for the sportsman, WE PAY ENOUGH ALREADY!!! go after the non sportsman that have the right to vote down huntn methods that have been around for ever, tell them since they voted stuff down that they need to pick up the extra dollars lost...... you see you start takin huntn methods away and you lose money YET you want the people that are losing rights to hunt a certain way to make up for the money shortage, sorry if that dont make alot of sense to some, i am sure piannoman or one of the other future POTUS members could have said it a little more eliquently   

[pianoman9701]

to be honest, the only people that should be required to buy this pass are the non sportsman, what i mean by that is the people that DO NOT BUY a hunting or fishing license!!! DONT we the sportsman pay enough?? IDK about you guys and gals but with 2 kids and myself, after permit apps for the kids, i dont put myself in anymore, but after the kids and myself i am at 400 and thats definatly on the cheap side, i know other guys that pay more than that just for themselves, plus they buy raffle tickets to, it wouldnt hurt the WDFW or whoever is incharge of this damn discover pass to STAND-UP for the sportsman, WE PAY ENOUGH ALREADY!!! go after the non sportsman that have the right to vote down huntn methods that have been around for ever, tell them since they voted stuff down that they need to pick up the extra dollars lost...... you see you start takin huntn methods away and you lose money YET you want the people that are losing rights to hunt a certain way to make up for the money shortage, sorry if that dont make alot of sense to some, i am sure piannoman or one of the other future POTUS members could have said it a little more eliquently   

Lol, Jack. I don't think anyone disagrees with you that sportsmen already pay enough to access the outdoor opportunities of this state. Having said that, apparently the legislature disagrees, at least so far. Our options are 1. Ignore the law and challenge the fines in court, 2. Obey the law and get the DP, or 3. Work with our legislators to amend the law to accept the DFW parking pass as meeting the requirement. Personally, I'll pay for the pass and feel that this would be a great campaign for our WFW to take on with the legislature.

[jackmaster]

oh i definatly agree with you pianno, i normally hunt hancock so i dont need the pass there, but this was my last year buying that pass, so i will more than likely have to start buying that pass next year  actually i might have to buy it now cause we want to take the family up to mt ranier up at longmire and i always like stoppoing at the feeding stations, i just have always chanced it, but cant afford a ticket so i will have to knuckle up and pay the man how long does the pass last for i assume a year from the date of purchase 

[pianoman9701]

1 year from the date of purchase.

[Limhangerslayer]

What makes me  laugh " NOT  REALLY"  is when I'm doing my job I  can't just pass on an extra charge at the end.  Let's call it the " satisfaction  pass"  because I need a few more bucks for my budget, you know that whiskey isn't getting any cheaper!

[sakoshooter]

 

My fishin buddy came back to his rig and trailer that was sitting on a gravel bar on the Clearwater, after a long float to find one of those $99 Discover Pass tickets on his rig.     The whole thing is just a racket!

[ScottyG]

I don't even care about the money.  I get so tired of having to keep track of every permit that was suppose to be acquired and fee that we are supposed to have paid to use our public lands.  If you want to tack on an extra fee to my hunting license, please go ahead.  But, for goodness sake, don't make me try to keep track of even one more piece of paper, sticker, or thing to hang on to my rearview mirror.  I just don't need more items that I've got to think about, worry about, and find late on a Friday night when I jump in one of my vehicles to go and simply enjoy a weekend with my family out in the woods.

Life is complicated enough without all this nonsense.  I guy pretty much needs an administrative assistant just to properly prepare for a weekend of fun in the woods that doesn't include a citation for one thing or another.