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So, from an evolutionary perspective, if the wolves are not highly motivated to kill whenever they can, they will lose out.
Thanks for posting that, it's a pretty well balanced piece.
That is actually very tainted as Smith is a known wolf lover and promoter and is spreading his pro-wolf opinioned propaganda to support the pro-wolf cause much in the same way certain wolf lovers try to do on this forum. Many of his comments and points have been refuted by qualified professionals. I quickly see several specific points that are either incorrect or overlooked by Smith.1. Smith does not account for the loss of moose in wolf impacted areas.2. Smith does not account for the fact that ID & MT F&G agencies have both documented tremendous impacts to certain elk herds by wolves. 3. Dr. David Mech considered by many to be the world's foremost authority on wolves has written about how wolves do surplus kill.4. Several Canadian and Alaskan biologists and agencies have written about how intensive wolf management was needed to help local game herds.5. E. Granulosus was present in rare instances, but wolves spread it widely, Dr Foreyt at WSU documented 66%-67% infection in ID and MT wolves.6. Smith does not mention that wolves from farther north regions tend to hunt in larger more efficient packs.7. Smith says they make money for a lot of people, he does not say what the ratio is compared to the amount of people losing money and/or being driven out of business by wolves.
Quote from: bearpaw on January 17, 2014, 05:25:16 AMThat is actually very tainted as Smith is a known wolf lover and promoter and is spreading his pro-wolf opinioned propaganda to support the pro-wolf cause much in the same way certain wolf lovers try to do on this forum. Many of his comments and points have been refuted by qualified professionals. I quickly see several specific points that are either incorrect or overlooked by Smith.1. Smith does not account for the loss of moose in wolf impacted areas.2. Smith does not account for the fact that ID & MT F&G agencies have both documented tremendous impacts to certain elk herds by wolves. 3. Dr. David Mech considered by many to be the world's foremost authority on wolves has written about how wolves do surplus kill.4. Several Canadian and Alaskan biologists and agencies have written about how intensive wolf management was needed to help local game herds.5. E. Granulosus was present in rare instances, but wolves spread it widely, Dr Foreyt at WSU documented 66%-67% infection in ID and MT wolves.6. Smith does not mention that wolves from farther north regions tend to hunt in larger more efficient packs.7. Smith says they make money for a lot of people, he does not say what the ratio is compared to the amount of people losing money and/or being driven out of business by wolves.This guy's in charge of the wolf project in Yellowstone. What's he going to say? "Yeah, well we really screwed up on this one. We had no idea how big they were and how much they eat. As a matter of fact, the whole thing's gotten really out of control and I'm responsible." Sorry JLS, but this is more government BS to hide the fact that the wolves have been shoved down our throats and no one will admit we're in for an even rougher ride than we already have.
Quote from: pianoman9701 on January 17, 2014, 05:40:53 AMQuote from: bearpaw on January 17, 2014, 05:25:16 AMThat is actually very tainted as Smith is a known wolf lover and promoter and is spreading his pro-wolf opinioned propaganda to support the pro-wolf cause much in the same way certain wolf lovers try to do on this forum. Many of his comments and points have been refuted by qualified professionals. I quickly see several specific points that are either incorrect or overlooked by Smith.1. Smith does not account for the loss of moose in wolf impacted areas.2. Smith does not account for the fact that ID & MT F&G agencies have both documented tremendous impacts to certain elk herds by wolves. 3. Dr. David Mech considered by many to be the world's foremost authority on wolves has written about how wolves do surplus kill.4. Several Canadian and Alaskan biologists and agencies have written about how intensive wolf management was needed to help local game herds.5. E. Granulosus was present in rare instances, but wolves spread it widely, Dr Foreyt at WSU documented 66%-67% infection in ID and MT wolves.6. Smith does not mention that wolves from farther north regions tend to hunt in larger more efficient packs.7. Smith says they make money for a lot of people, he does not say what the ratio is compared to the amount of people losing money and/or being driven out of business by wolves.This guy's in charge of the wolf project in Yellowstone. What's he going to say? "Yeah, well we really screwed up on this one. We had no idea how big they were and how much they eat. As a matter of fact, the whole thing's gotten really out of control and I'm responsible." Sorry JLS, but this is more government BS to hide the fact that the wolves have been shoved down our throats and no one will admit we're in for an even rougher ride than we already have. Actually YNP is ground zero for ranchers learning different ways to stop wolves.Here's a short link for some insightful readinghttp://www.westernwolves.org/index.php/ranching-in-wolf-countryThan again your going to call this a do to the fact that it's NEW tech out there to help ranchers and wolves get along.
I didn't see any new tech, everyone knows the wolf groups think flags, ribbons, and rubber bullets will discourage wolves from eating beef and lamb, but that has been proven to not work in NE Oregon, they had to kill wolves that paid little attention to flagging and ate cattle anyway. There is some merit in the range rider program, but ranchers can't afford that. I know a NE WA rancher personally who has a range rider that the state and wolf groups are financing and I do think it has prevented cattle losses. Are taxpayers ready to pony up range riders for all the cattle operations throughout the west.These measures are not affordable to most cattle operations especially those utilizing public lands for grazing.
Quote from: jon.brown509 on January 17, 2014, 06:28:56 AMQuote from: pianoman9701 on January 17, 2014, 05:40:53 AMQuote from: bearpaw on January 17, 2014, 05:25:16 AMThat is actually very tainted as Smith is a known wolf lover and promoter and is spreading his pro-wolf opinioned propaganda to support the pro-wolf cause much in the same way certain wolf lovers try to do on this forum. Many of his comments and points have been refuted by qualified professionals. I quickly see several specific points that are either incorrect or overlooked by Smith.1. Smith does not account for the loss of moose in wolf impacted areas.2. Smith does not account for the fact that ID & MT F&G agencies have both documented tremendous impacts to certain elk herds by wolves. 3. Dr. David Mech considered by many to be the world's foremost authority on wolves has written about how wolves do surplus kill.4. Several Canadian and Alaskan biologists and agencies have written about how intensive wolf management was needed to help local game herds.5. E. Granulosus was present in rare instances, but wolves spread it widely, Dr Foreyt at WSU documented 66%-67% infection in ID and MT wolves.6. Smith does not mention that wolves from farther north regions tend to hunt in larger more efficient packs.7. Smith says they make money for a lot of people, he does not say what the ratio is compared to the amount of people losing money and/or being driven out of business by wolves.This guy's in charge of the wolf project in Yellowstone. What's he going to say? "Yeah, well we really screwed up on this one. We had no idea how big they were and how much they eat. As a matter of fact, the whole thing's gotten really out of control and I'm responsible." Sorry JLS, but this is more government BS to hide the fact that the wolves have been shoved down our throats and no one will admit we're in for an even rougher ride than we already have. Actually YNP is ground zero for ranchers learning different ways to stop wolves.Here's a short link for some insightful readinghttp://www.westernwolves.org/index.php/ranching-in-wolf-countryThan again your going to call this a do to the fact that it's NEW tech out there to help ranchers and wolves get along.Or, we're going to call it a pro-wolf fluff piece because of who the group is who wrote it. This is who they are from their own website. Are you a member of these guys?"The Western Wolf CoalitionEstablished in 2008, the Western Wolf Coalition is a source of networking for wildlife organizations across the northern Rockies and Pacific Northwest. Representing more than 20 local, state, regional and national organizations, the coalition is building a grassroots activist network to engage our collective supporters and members in state wildlife actions that impact wolves in the region. We have also recruited new activists through events and activist training workshops throughout the region. As a result, wolf conservation supporters are attending and speaking at hearings, writing letters to officials, and through newspapers and social media in growing numbers and with a clear focus on important and effective messages to help counter anti-wolf misinformation campaigns. "