Wolf in klickitat

[bigmacc]

It's hard to believe because there is an extensive legal process they would be required to go through, before releasing wolves in this state. Just as they had to do in all the other states. Never did they secretly release wolves in those other states. And it's extremely unlikely they would have done so here,

Like I said before. Read the wolf plan. Does it say anything about wolves being released in Washington? No? Then it didn't happen.

With all due respect bobcat,how do we really know wolves were not "secretly" released here in this state or any other for that matter,not saying some were not released legally with proper protocol and some did not migrate or wander from point A to point B. There are alot of things done in goverment agencies within countrys all over the world that are kept "secret" and has been practiced for years. By definition the word "secret" is, "something kept hidden or unexplained...something kept from the knowledge of others".Its done all the time,or at least more than we know,after all if we did know about "secret" releases or anything trying to be "kept from the knowledge of others" then it wouldnt be a secret any more would it?. I,m kind of on the fence with this, lots of things have been done thru history that originally were supposed to have been kept hidden or kept from the knowledge of others. Not saying secret releases happened,just saying it wouldnt surprise me....as always,just my

[bobcat]

Anything is possible but it's extremely unlikely, so I'm just going with the odds. If you think about it, the WDFW could have gotten more than enough support if they wanted to plant wolves in Washington. Us hunters are about the only people who don't want wolves here. Let's just say I bet 80% of the people in this state would support the WDFW in trying to re-establish wolves. So why would they try to hide it? They wouldn't. They'd be heroes to most people. Even if they did want to keep something secret, there's no way they could. Too many employees would be aware of it, and I guarantee at least one would not keep quiet.

[Knocker of rocks]

With all due respect bobcat,how do we really know wolves were not "secretly" released here in this state or any other for that matter,not saying some were not released legally with proper protocol and some did not migrate or wander from point A to point B. There are alot of things done in goverment agencies within countrys all over the world that are kept "secret" and has been practiced for years. By definition the word "secret" is, "something kept hidden or unexplained...something kept from the knowledge of others".Its done all the time,or at least more than we know,after all if we did know about "secret" releases or anything trying to be "kept from the knowledge of others" then it wouldnt be a secret any more would it?. I,m kind of on the fence with this, lots of things have been done thru history that originally were supposed to have been kept hidden or kept from the knowledge of others. Not saying secret releases happened,just saying it wouldnt surprise me....as always,just my

Challenging one's opponent in any sort of debate to "prove a negative" is decidedly weak.  Prove that JFK, Pope JP II and Ronald Reagan are in fact dead, and not plotting a scheme for world domination from the ISS.

You can't, so it must be true, right?

[Wazukie]

With all due respect bobcat,how do we really know wolves were not "secretly" released here in this state or any other for that matter,not saying some were not released legally with proper protocol and some did not migrate or wander from point A to point B. There are alot of things done in goverment agencies within countrys all over the world that are kept "secret" and has been practiced for years. By definition the word "secret" is, "something kept hidden or unexplained...something kept from the knowledge of others".Its done all the time,or at least more than we know,after all if we did know about "secret" releases or anything trying to be "kept from the knowledge of others" then it wouldnt be a secret any more would it?. I,m kind of on the fence with this, lots of things have been done thru history that originally were supposed to have been kept hidden or kept from the knowledge of others. Not saying secret releases happened,just saying it wouldnt surprise me....as always,just my

Challenging one's opponent in any sort of debate to "prove a negative" is decidedly weak.  Prove that JFK, Pope JP II and Ronald Reagan are in fact dead, and not plotting a scheme for world domination from the ISS.

You can't, so it must be true, right?

Ronnie's dead     

[westside bull]

Anything is possible but it's extremely unlikely, so I'm just going with the odds. If you think about it, the WDFW could have gotten more than enough support if they wanted to plant wolves in Washington. Us hunters are about the only people who don't want wolves here. Let's just say I bet 80% of the people in this state would support the WDFW in trying to re-establish wolves. So why would they try to hide it? They wouldn't. They'd be heroes to most people. Even if they did want to keep something secret, there's no way they could. Too many employees would be aware of it, and I guarantee at least one would not keep quiet.

Even if it was true do you think one of there employees would go public and say something like with there name and face and tell people they work for wdfw and they re-established wolves here no rumors are rumors and to many think they have re-established wolves here and that will not change. I think us the hunters pay there bills so yes why not keep it quite!

[pianoman9701]

So let's just say for a moment that the unmarked black helicopters came in and dropped off some wolves. According to the approved wolf plan, a pack is required for the southern Cascades as part of the overall plan toward completion and eventual management. Because this is a requirement of the plan and we can't start management until the plan has been completed, what's the difference?

Don't get me wrong. I don't think there should be a wolf plan that includes a total of 15 packs, including one in the So. Cascades. I'd prefer something more reasonable, like 5 packs, all in someone else's neighborhood. But since the unreasonable wolf plan was approved by the Wildlife Commission and the USFWS, whether they were dropped off or whether they made it there all on their own, we're that much closer to being able to kill them. In the big scheme of things it doesn't matter how they got there.

One last point: If you can show photographic proof that this happened or is happening, we could have the added bonus of sending these wolf lovers to prison for breaking the law. At the very least, it would cost them their jobs and lots of money. If you haven't taken your camera or phone into the woods before, you should be doing it every time now.

[jasnt]

"If you haven't taken your camera or phone into the woods before, you should be doing it every time now."

I agree.  I ALWAYS have a camera with me.  I dont always have time to get a pic but I try. Often im rewarded with some decent pics. 

[wolfbait]

So let's just say for a moment that the unmarked black helicopters came in and dropped off some wolves. According to the approved wolf plan, a pack is required for the southern Cascades as part of the overall plan toward completion and eventual management. Because this is a requirement of the plan and we can't start management until the plan has been completed, what's the difference?

Don't get me wrong. I don't think there should be a wolf plan that includes a total of 15 packs, including one in the So. Cascades. I'd prefer something more reasonable, like 5 packs, all in someone else's neighborhood. But since the unreasonable wolf plan was approved by the Wildlife Commission and the USFWS, whether they were dropped off or whether they made it there all on their own, we're that much closer to being able to kill them. In the big scheme of things it doesn't matter how they got there.

One last point: If you can show photographic proof that this happened or is happening, we could have the added bonus of sending these wolf lovers to prison for breaking the law. At the very least, it would cost them their jobs and lots of money. If you haven't taken your camera or phone into the woods before, you should be doing it every time now.

"So let's just say for a moment that the unmarked black helicopters came in and dropped off some wolves."

Your getting out there a little bit Pianoman!    No black helicopters! Dark green pickups with government plates are what has been seen in many of the wolf releases. And as recently as last year pulling a flat bed trailer with wolves in those little metal crates, very early in the morning.

[AspenBud]

So let's just say for a moment that the unmarked black helicopters came in and dropped off some wolves. According to the approved wolf plan, a pack is required for the southern Cascades as part of the overall plan toward completion and eventual management. Because this is a requirement of the plan and we can't start management until the plan has been completed, what's the difference?

Don't get me wrong. I don't think there should be a wolf plan that includes a total of 15 packs, including one in the So. Cascades. I'd prefer something more reasonable, like 5 packs, all in someone else's neighborhood. But since the unreasonable wolf plan was approved by the Wildlife Commission and the USFWS, whether they were dropped off or whether they made it there all on their own, we're that much closer to being able to kill them. In the big scheme of things it doesn't matter how they got there.

One last point: If you can show photographic proof that this happened or is happening, we could have the added bonus of sending these wolf lovers to prison for breaking the law. At the very least, it would cost them their jobs and lots of money. If you haven't taken your camera or phone into the woods before, you should be doing it every time now.

"So let's just say for a moment that the unmarked black helicopters came in and dropped off some wolves."

Your getting out there a little bit Pianoman!    No black helicopters! Dark green pickups with government plates are what has been seen in many of the wolf releases. And as recently as last year pulling a flat bed trailer with wolves in those little metal crates, very early in the morning.

Why do I always think of this when you write that?

http://www.conconullysupermush.com/

Lots of wolfy looking dogs could be hauled around like that and some remote locations are ideal for conditioning snow or no snow.

[wolfbait]

So let's just say for a moment that the unmarked black helicopters came in and dropped off some wolves. According to the approved wolf plan, a pack is required for the southern Cascades as part of the overall plan toward completion and eventual management. Because this is a requirement of the plan and we can't start management until the plan has been completed, what's the difference?

Don't get me wrong. I don't think there should be a wolf plan that includes a total of 15 packs, including one in the So. Cascades. I'd prefer something more reasonable, like 5 packs, all in someone else's neighborhood. But since the unreasonable wolf plan was approved by the Wildlife Commission and the USFWS, whether they were dropped off or whether they made it there all on their own, we're that much closer to being able to kill them. In the big scheme of things it doesn't matter how they got there.

One last point: If you can show photographic proof that this happened or is happening, we could have the added bonus of sending these wolf lovers to prison for breaking the law. At the very least, it would cost them their jobs and lots of money. If you haven't taken your camera or phone into the woods before, you should be doing it every time now.

"So let's just say for a moment that the unmarked black helicopters came in and dropped off some wolves."

Your getting out there a little bit Pianoman!    No black helicopters! Dark green pickups with government plates are what has been seen in many of the wolf releases. And as recently as last year pulling a flat bed trailer with wolves in those little metal crates, very early in the morning.

Why do I always think of this when you write that?

http://www.conconullysupermush.com/

Lots of wolfy looking dogs could be hauled around like that and some remote locations are ideal for conditioning snow or no snow.

WDFW have sled dogs? Really? Do you suppose they were taking them out for some exercise last summer?

[AspenBud]

So let's just say for a moment that the unmarked black helicopters came in and dropped off some wolves. According to the approved wolf plan, a pack is required for the southern Cascades as part of the overall plan toward completion and eventual management. Because this is a requirement of the plan and we can't start management until the plan has been completed, what's the difference?

Don't get me wrong. I don't think there should be a wolf plan that includes a total of 15 packs, including one in the So. Cascades. I'd prefer something more reasonable, like 5 packs, all in someone else's neighborhood. But since the unreasonable wolf plan was approved by the Wildlife Commission and the USFWS, whether they were dropped off or whether they made it there all on their own, we're that much closer to being able to kill them. In the big scheme of things it doesn't matter how they got there.

One last point: If you can show photographic proof that this happened or is happening, we could have the added bonus of sending these wolf lovers to prison for breaking the law. At the very least, it would cost them their jobs and lots of money. If you haven't taken your camera or phone into the woods before, you should be doing it every time now.

"So let's just say for a moment that the unmarked black helicopters came in and dropped off some wolves."

Your getting out there a little bit Pianoman!    No black helicopters! Dark green pickups with government plates are what has been seen in many of the wolf releases. And as recently as last year pulling a flat bed trailer with wolves in those little metal crates, very early in the morning.

Why do I always think of this when you write that?

http://www.conconullysupermush.com/

Lots of wolfy looking dogs could be hauled around like that and some remote locations are ideal for conditioning snow or no snow.

WDFW have sled dogs? Really? Do you suppose they were taking them out for some exercise last summer?

Get some pictures or video and I'll start listening. Be sure to include the date and time taken, and try to get the plate number and logo on the side of the truck. Until then I think a lot of these stories are either made up or from people not understanding what they are seeing.

(sled dogs get run year round, snow or no snow)

[AspenBud]

I will make a sizable bet that people see what they want to see when a truck like this drives by in the woods. Change the color to green and they won't even bother to read what's on the side.

[bigmacc]

Anything is possible but it's extremely unlikely, so I'm just going with the odds. If you think about it, the WDFW could have gotten more than enough support if they wanted to plant wolves in Washington. Us hunters are about the only people who don't want wolves here. Let's just say I bet 80% of the people in this state would support the WDFW in trying to re-establish wolves. So why would they try to hide it? They wouldn't. They'd be heroes to most people. Even if they did want to keep something secret, there's no way they could. Too many employees would be aware of it, and I guarantee at least one would not keep quiet.

Yes anything is possible,some are probable,some are likely or unlikely you name it, but  everyone has ideas about this "how did they get here" deal and the fact COULD be that all of them could be right to a certain degree. For my statement of "it wouldnt surprise me" if wolves were released into some areas here and there all comes from an accidental encounter with the game dept way up the Swakane in early december of 1969 or 70?. A bunch of unmarked rigs and a big box truck sitting at the end of the road with a bunch of bighorns spilling out of the box truck,a bunch of guys were on us pretty quickly when they spotted us and in short we were told "we didnt see anything". These are the sort of things that have happened to myself and others to various degrees that can make a guy a little skeptical i guess. I,m in the camp though that they are here, however it may be, so lets get em delisted asap!

[Curly]

If WDFW is transplanting wolves, why don't they just drop off packs in the Olympics and SW Washington and anywhere else that "needs" more wolves?

And like what has been asked before, why risk prison time by illegally releasing wolves?   And another thing.......If they really were transplanting them, why wouldn't they be more discreet?  I would think they could use vehicles that don't look like government trucks.    Nothing about wdfw secretly planting wolves makes any sense...........I'm going to just have to continue to believe that wolves are naturally dispersing unless some evidence can show otherwise.   I mean no disrespect to wolfbait or others that believe in those conspiracy theories,  but the stories are just too hard to believe right now.......though if more evidence surfaces to show otherwise,  I'm open to changing my mind.

[AspenBud]

If WDFW is transplanting wolves, why don't they just drop off packs in the Olympics and SW Washington and anywhere else that "needs" more wolves?

And like what has been asked before, why risk prison time by illegally releasing wolves?   And another thing.......If they really were transplanting them, why wouldn't they be more discreet?  I would think they could use vehicles that don't look like government trucks.    Nothing about wdfw secretly planting wolves makes any sense...........I'm going to just have to continue to believe that wolves are naturally dispersing unless some evidence can show otherwise.   I mean no disrespect to wolfbait or others that believe in those conspiracy theories,  but the stories are just too hard to believe right now.......though if more evidence to show otherwise,  I'm open to changing my mind.

It needs to be something more than a picture of an "unmarked truck" too. Plenty of guys haul bird dogs and sled dogs around with fairly sophisticated setups.