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[Kc_Kracker]

BS-If you are going to accuse someone or a tribe, lets hear who the tribes are and who your source is.  I hate second hand information without supporting evidence posted on these threads.

a thread shouldnt even stand if it cannot be specific instead of grouping all natives together is a racist comment. it should be ___________ tribe did this.

[Old Man Yager]

It's true that there are alot of different factors that affect herds all over the state, predetation, more hunters, poaching, ect, but it's a FACT in some areas where the deer winter they get hit hard by  Natives, and there is no consequence for them. Lots of arguements for both sides, but how can anybody say it's okay to hunt game on a wintering ground where the animals are most vulnerable? No ethics = no animals eventually.

[boneaddict]

I agree bobcat.   I have learned more and more on here about it.   I grew up in the Methow where the Lummi tribe committed multiple atrocities and constantly hammered the winter range.   One occurrence was so bad that it almost came down to open warfare between locals and natives.  It escalated so muchthat bloodshed almost occurred and  an agreement was reached somehow about meat being processed from roadkills to be given to the tribe.   I think there have been minor issues here and there but nothing ringing any bells.   Once I moved to this area (Yakima), a whole new crop of issues have come up.   Its crazy.   There are members that do it right and those that abuse the system.  What is sad is the level that the abuser can get away with.  Its not a race thing to me.  I have many friends  and even family that are Colville and Yakama.   Its about equal rights and conservation.   The abuse of fishing and hunting is CRAZY   

[igotbigbulls]

BS-If you are going to accuse someone or a tribe, lets hear who the tribes are and who your source is.  I hate second hand information without supporting evidence posted on these threads.

a thread shouldnt even stand if it cannot be specific instead of grouping all natives together is a racist comment. it should be ___________ tribe did this.

im not sure its racist. i see non indians doing illegal things in the woods all the time. i know non indians poach and sell meat and antlers as well, i know that non indians wound and leave animals every season they hunt, probably wasting more meat then any group around and then harvesting another when they cant find the wounded animal.

[igotbigbulls]

It's true that there are alot of different factors that affect herds all over the state, predetation, more hunters, poaching, ect, but it's a FACT in some areas where the deer winter they get hit hard by  Natives, and there is no consequence for them. Lots of arguements for both sides, but how can anybody say it's okay to hunt game on a wintering ground where the animals are most vulnerable? No ethics = no animals eventually.

i agree 100% that ethics are involved and there needs to be a solution to the wintering grounds issues with certain tribes.

[boneaddict]

Of course they do and they should be prosecuted, all within the SAME system.   

I think that with current practices its much easier for these folks to get away with criminal activity.   I see animals being killed in the Wenas all winter.   I suppose I am supposed to report every occurence eventhough 90% of them are probably tribal and not doing anything illegal.   Of course this takes resources away from other problems.   

[boneaddict]

soon you just ignore it and the bad guys can continue....without notice

[pianoman9701]

I disagree Grundy. The original intent may be on target , but these threads always go sideways and many who post to vent do so in a manner that's unproductive and paints entire populations with a wide brush. And, the laws which allow these activities were passed by white folks. If you want to lay blame, blame Congress.

Huh? Did I blame anyone? Did I say it was productive? I don't see where you disagree with what I said?

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What I disagreed with was the smokescreen comment. I should've been more specific.

[idahohuntr]

I also disagree with the notion that nothing can be done.  It think there are at least 3 potential avenues:

1. Provide evidence of wastage to tribal councils to seek resolution.  Give them license plates, photos, video etc.
2. Publicize as best you can any wastage or unethical behavior.  If something aggregious occurs and it can get air time it will put pressure on tribes to make more serious efforts to reduce or eliminate this behavior.  Tribes are sovereign...but nobody is immune from bad press.
3. The option I mentioned earlier, and where the state does have some control, take some of these units that the state attempts to manage for quality and trophy potential and turn them into general season units where the quality and trophy aspects are eliminated.  If we eliminate the easy pickings I believe the interest in the small group of tribal members who engage in these wasteful practices will be greatly deterred.  Do this for a couple traditional units important to tribes and I bet they will have great interest in working with the state on co-managing.   

[grundy53]

I also disagree with the notion that nothing can be done.  It think there are at least 3 potential avenues:

1. Provide evidence of wastage to tribal councils to seek resolution.  Give them license plates, photos, video etc.
2. Publicize as best you can any wastage or unethical behavior.  If something aggregious occurs and it can get air time it will put pressure on tribes to make more serious efforts to reduce or eliminate this behavior.  Tribes are sovereign...but nobody is immune from bad press.
3. The option I mentioned earlier, and where the state does have some control, take some of these units that the state attempts to manage for quality and trophy potential and turn them into general season units where the quality and trophy aspects are eliminated.  If we eliminate the easy pickings I believe the interest in the small group of tribal members who engage in these wasteful practices will be greatly deterred.  Do this for a couple traditional units important to tribes and I bet they will have great interest in working with the state on co-managing.   

One and two have been done. I think option three would be cutting your nose off to spite your face.... but I'm getting close to agreeing with you.

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[boneaddict]

Yep, yep and YEP   

[snowpack]

Tribal hunting is just about the #1 issue affecting deer and elk hunting in this state, in my opinion. And the state doesn't seem to care. The tribes are allowed to kill as much as they want, whenever they want. They are even given gate keys so they can drive into areas where everyone else has to walk, as if driving to the tops of mountains is some sort of cultural tradition for them that the white man can't take away.

I disagree as a whole.  While tribes might be a major factor in a specific area.  Maybe your pet area of focus, it is not a major issue or issue at all everywhere.  Bobcat, you have been painting the tribes with a pretty broad paintbrush since I joined this forum.  When you refer to tribes from now on, it would be helpful to everyone if you referred to the specific tribes your are speaking of.

I don't think he needs to when all tribes are all getting away with murder... No offense

So tired of these racist threads.  The same folks bashing natives and blaming every tribe for the decline of hunting opportunities.  There are 24 different tribes and nations that have treaty rights to hunt in this state. Not every tribe or tribal member is to blame.  Yes I agree there are some bad guys but the problem is the individual not the entire nation.

Pretty sure giving a certain race special privileges is racist no matter how you look at it

The kind of strange thing about this is I don't know if in many cases I would even consider it a race thing.  I know quite a few tribal members and most of the ones I've gone hunting or fishing with are 25% native/75% white.  I never even guessed they were tribal until they mentioned it.

[Practical Approach]

Surprised nobody is mentioning locking up all the timberlands and restricting drive in access? 

[boneaddict]

I think they manage to get keys, so doesn't that just restrict whites more and make it even nicer for the tribes.

[igotbigbulls]

I think they manage to get keys, so doesn't that just restrict whites more and make it even nicer for the tribes.

Not just whites.