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I'm getting ready to work up a load using the 168gr hunting (28570). Graf's has them in stock.
I think the only difference is the label. I have wondered- same grain, same bc, different jacket thickness. I can't process it. How can weight and bc be the same if jacket thickness different.
Quote from: wastickslinger on October 04, 2014, 08:55:35 PMI think the only difference is the label. I have wondered- same grain, same bc, different jacket thickness. I can't process it. How can weight and bc be the same if jacket thickness different. as a matter of fact they do not weigh the same. Check them you will see!
Quote from: seakev on October 04, 2014, 07:50:56 PMI'm getting ready to work up a load using the 168gr hunting (28570). Graf's has them in stock.Graf's ?
What is the difference between your bullet types? (Target/Tactical/Varmint/Hunting)Posted March 6, 2013Our Target and Tactical bullets are designed with thicker jackets that withstand more stress before bullet degradation occurs. A target or tactical shooter generally fires multiple rounds in a row, causing the barrel to heat up and more stress on bullet. To keep performance high, we give these bullets thicker jackets.Our Varmint and Hunting bullets have slightly thinner jackets. This means that the bullet will expand more effectively, creating a large wound cavity that devastates the animal using hydrostatic shock. Hunters generally shoot 1-3 bullets at a time, so bullet degradation is not as much of a concern as expansion.Read more here: http://www.bergerbullets.com/information/line-and-designs/
From the Berger website:QuoteWhat is the difference between your bullet types? (Target/Tactical/Varmint/Hunting)Posted March 6, 2013Our Target and Tactical bullets are designed with thicker jackets that withstand more stress before bullet degradation occurs. A target or tactical shooter generally fires multiple rounds in a row, causing the barrel to heat up and more stress on bullet. To keep performance high, we give these bullets thicker jackets.Our Varmint and Hunting bullets have slightly thinner jackets. This means that the bullet will expand more effectively, creating a large wound cavity that devastates the animal using hydrostatic shock. Hunters generally shoot 1-3 bullets at a time, so bullet degradation is not as much of a concern as expansion.Read more here: http://www.bergerbullets.com/information/line-and-designs/
Quote from: bobcat on October 04, 2014, 11:10:43 PMFrom the Berger website:QuoteWhat is the difference between your bullet types? (Target/Tactical/Varmint/Hunting)Posted March 6, 2013Our Target and Tactical bullets are designed with thicker jackets that withstand more stress before bullet degradation occurs. A target or tactical shooter generally fires multiple rounds in a row, causing the barrel to heat up and more stress on bullet. To keep performance high, we give these bullets thicker jackets.Our Varmint and Hunting bullets have slightly thinner jackets. This means that the bullet will expand more effectively, creating a large wound cavity that devastates the animal using hydrostatic shock. Hunters generally shoot 1-3 bullets at a time, so bullet degradation is not as much of a concern as expansion.Read more here: http://www.bergerbullets.com/information/line-and-designs/I understand they say one has a thicker jacket. The question is how do you change jacket thickness, add/take away two different types of metals, and then end up the same total weight and bc? Maybe I'm just tired but it doesn't add up. Take away copper, add lead, bullet still same size/weight/bc?
Well at 75 yards a 190 grain hunting vld sure acted like garbage on my bull. 3 well placed shots, bull never flinched for the first 2, I think on the third he tipped over from all the muzzle blast. Not one exit. All 3 bullets tuned to shrapnel on impact. A 12 gauge would have been better. Sorry fir the thread jack. Just providing some real life experience with the hunting vld.
Quote from: wastickslinger on October 05, 2014, 09:13:36 AMWell at 75 yards a 190 grain hunting vld sure acted like garbage on my bull. 3 well placed shots, bull never flinched for the first 2, I think on the third he tipped over from all the muzzle blast. Not one exit. All 3 bullets tuned to shrapnel on impact. A 12 gauge would have been better. Sorry fir the thread jack. Just providing some real life experience with the hunting vld.That's what they are designed to do, and my experience with them as well.
Quote from: wastickslinger on October 05, 2014, 09:13:36 AMWell at 75 yards a 190 grain hunting vld sure acted like garbage on my bull. 3 well placed shots, bull never flinched for the first 2, I think on the third he tipped over from all the muzzle blast. Not one exit. All 3 bullets tuned to shrapnel on impact. A 12 gauge would have been better. Sorry fir the thread jack. Just providing some real life experience with the hunting vld.Were you using the 300 Ultra you have for sale in the marketplace?
Guess I'll have to pick a box up and try them out. I'm not looking at using them for hunting . Just looking for a more readily available option for more trigger time at longer ranges. I've had a box of the hunting bullets on backorder for 6 months now and I'm down to 20 left on the first box so haven't been shooting as much as I want.
OK so I just got off the phone with my smith and he said he's cut apart 100's of the targets and hunting Bergers and he couldn't see a visual difference. He told me hes used the targets to work up loads and then switched to the hunting with no change needed. Also got an email this morning saying my backordered box has shipped
Quote from: huntandjeep on October 06, 2014, 03:03:35 PMOK so I just got off the phone with my smith and he said he's cut apart 100's of the targets and hunting Bergers and he couldn't see a visual difference. He told me hes used the targets to work up loads and then switched to the hunting with no change needed. Also got an email this morning saying my backordered box has shipped Doesn't surprise me. It's the same bullet in a different color box.
Quote from: wastickslinger on October 06, 2014, 03:20:28 PMQuote from: huntandjeep on October 06, 2014, 03:03:35 PMOK so I just got off the phone with my smith and he said he's cut apart 100's of the targets and hunting Bergers and he couldn't see a visual difference. He told me hes used the targets to work up loads and then switched to the hunting with no change needed. Also got an email this morning saying my backordered box has shipped Doesn't surprise me. It's the same bullet in a different color box.In my experience this isn't the case. I've weighed both Target and Hunting VLDs of the same weight in .308 and .284 caliber and they are different. The weights are slightly different and the length from base to ogive is slightly different (but consistently different) between the two styles as well. I have to adjust my seating depth when I switch between the two.Andrew