HB 1676: Understanding the effects of predation on wild ungulate populations

[jasnt]

Wolves were reintroduced into Idaho and YNP starting in 1995.  The wolves in WA migrated from there as populations expanded in those regions.  It is also very likely wolves moved in/around WA before 1995, primarily from BC.  I don't know what you mean about being left alone to populate.


Possible?  There was a article in the seatle times  about a wolf captured and collared in 1992. 

[wolfbait]

Wolves were reintroduced into Idaho and YNP starting in 1995.  The wolves in WA migrated from there as populations expanded in those regions.  It is also very likely wolves moved in/around WA before 1995, primarily from BC.  I don't know what you mean about being left alone to populate.


Possible?  There was a article in the seatle times  about a wolf captured and collared in 1992.

Why did WDFW lie about the wolves of the 1980's-1990's?

[jasnt]

Wolves were reintroduced into Idaho and YNP starting in 1995.  The wolves in WA migrated from there as populations expanded in those regions.  It is also very likely wolves moved in/around WA before 1995, primarily from BC.  I don't know what you mean about being left alone to populate.


Possible?  There was a article in the seatle times  about a wolf captured and collared in 1992.

Why did WDFW lie about the wolves of the 1980's-1990's?

Good question

[bobcat]

Wolves were reintroduced into Idaho and YNP starting in 1995.  The wolves in WA migrated from there as populations expanded in those regions.  It is also very likely wolves moved in/around WA before 1995, primarily from BC.  I don't know what you mean about being left alone to populate.


Possible?  There was a article in the seatle times  about a wolf captured and collared in 1992.

Why did WDFW lie about the wolves of the 1980's-1990's?

Good question

I'm not sure why you say they lied. This is from the wolf plan:

[wolfbait]

Wolves were reintroduced into Idaho and YNP starting in 1995.  The wolves in WA migrated from there as populations expanded in those regions.  It is also very likely wolves moved in/around WA before 1995, primarily from BC.  I don't know what you mean about being left alone to populate.


Possible?  There was a article in the seatle times  about a wolf captured and collared in 1992.

Why did WDFW lie about the wolves of the 1980's-1990's?

Good question

I'm not sure why you say they lied. This is from the wolf plan:

I guess the lie would come in at "First Wolf Pack in Seventy Years". Thats the trouble with history Bobcat, it ruins it for the for the pro-wolf side.


In Washington, Feds Opt For Wolf Introduction Over Recovery  http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2010/06/08/in-washington-feds-opt-for-wolf-introduction-over-recovery/

[mfswallace]

Wolves were reintroduced into Idaho and YNP starting in 1995.  The wolves in WA migrated from there as populations expanded in those regions.  It is also very likely wolves moved in/around WA before 1995, primarily from BC.  I don't know what you mean about being left alone to populate.


Possible?  There was a article in the seatle times  about a wolf captured and collared in 1992.

Why did WDFW lie about the wolves of the 1980's-1990's?

Good question

I'm not sure why you say they lied. This is from the wolf plan:

I guess the lie would come in at "First Wolf Pack in Seventy Years". Thats the trouble with history Bobcat, it ruins it for the for the pro-wolf side.


In Washington, Feds Opt For Wolf Introduction Over Recovery  http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2010/06/08/in-washington-feds-opt-for-wolf-introduction-over-recovery/

 

  smoking gun for all those who still see no bias!

Good article 

  to bad all that will be said is "who cares we're here now, deal with it. WDFW isn't on the side of pro wolf advocates, it's all lies by people who want responsible honest gov't." 

[huntrights]

HB 1676 is a good bill.

[idahohuntr]

HB 1676 is a good bill.

If you like your health insurance plan, you can keep it.

[mfswallace]

HB 1676 is a good bill.

If you like your health insurance plan, you can keep it.

So WDFW motto should be.
If you like your ungulates, you can keep them.

[idahohuntr]

That is a pretty good one wallace...I disagree with the premise...but that is clever and funny You should start selling bumperstickers in E. Wa!

[idahohuntr]

HB 1676 is a good bill.

This is really getting comical now...the bill was modified a while ago and I did not realize it.  Now it is going to be the University of Washington, Predator Ecology Lab in the School of Environmental and Forest Sciences, conducting a 4 year study on wolves and ungulates.  It will now cost well into the 6 figures to fund. 

Here is my really favorite part for all of you like huntrights proclaiming this is a "good bill" for hunters...UW Predator Ecology Lab was proud to announce their joining the Pacific Wolf Coalition in a recent panel (Oct 2014)- And if you go to the Pacific Wolf Coalition website (http://pacificwolves.org/) you will see they are an organization pleased to be bringing wolves home to the west.   

So...all you "Yes" voters like huntrights that support this bill against my advice that no good could come from politicians directing research...may I ask why you think a group of Seattle academics who partner with wolf advocacy organizations advising and informing the state on how to manage predators and ungulates in Eastern Washington is a good idea? 

NO GOOD WILL COME OF POLITICIANS DIRECTING RESEARCH AND WILDLIFE MANAGEMENT IN SUCH A DIRECT MANNER.  To those handful of folks who voted no...  

[bearpaw]

HB 1676 is a good bill.

This is really getting comical now...the bill was modified a while ago and I did not realize it.  Now it is going to be the University of Washington, Predator Ecology Lab in the School of Environmental and Forest Sciences, conducting a 4 year study on wolves and ungulates.  It will now cost well into the 6 figures to fund. 

Here is my really favorite part for all of you like huntrights proclaiming this is a "good bill" for hunters...UW Predator Ecology Lab was proud to announce their joining the Pacific Wolf Coalition in a recent panel (Oct 2014)- And if you go to the Pacific Wolf Coalition website (http://pacificwolves.org/) you will see they are an organization pleased to be bringing wolves home to the west.   

So...all you "Yes" voters like huntrights that support this bill against my advice that no good could come from politicians directing research...may I ask why you think a group of Seattle academics who partner with wolf advocacy organizations advising and informing the state on how to manage predators and ungulates in Eastern Washington is a good idea? 

NO GOOD WILL COME OF POLITICIANS DIRECTING RESEARCH AND WILDLIFE MANAGEMENT IN SUCH A DIRECT MANNER.  To those handful of folks who voted no...

If this is true I would not be in favor of the bill now. The herd counts/study needs to be done by WDFW.
The WSU cougar study resulted in the current cougar quota mismanagement. If true about WSU, this is a turn for the bad with this bill.

[jasnt]

HB 1676 is a good bill.

This is really getting comical now...the bill was modified a while ago and I did not realize it.  Now it is going to be the University of Washington, Predator Ecology Lab in the School of Environmental and Forest Sciences, conducting a 4 year study on wolves and ungulates.  It will now cost well into the 6 figures to fund. 

Here is my really favorite part for all of you like huntrights proclaiming this is a "good bill" for hunters...UW Predator Ecology Lab was proud to announce their joining the Pacific Wolf Coalition in a recent panel (Oct 2014)- And if you go to the Pacific Wolf Coalition website (http://pacificwolves.org/) you will see they are an organization pleased to be bringing wolves home to the west.   

So...all you "Yes" voters like huntrights that support this bill against my advice that no good could come from politicians directing research...may I ask why you think a group of Seattle academics who partner with wolf advocacy organizations advising and informing the state on how to manage predators and ungulates in Eastern Washington is a good idea? 

NO GOOD WILL COME OF POLITICIANS DIRECTING RESEARCH AND WILDLIFE MANAGEMENT IN SUCH A DIRECT MANNER.  To those handful of folks who voted no...

If this is true I would not be in favor of the bill now. The herd counts/study needs to be done by WDFW.
The WSU cougar study resulted in the current cougar quota mismanagement. If true about WSU, this is a turn for the bad with this bill.

  bad bad bad!

[dreamunelk]

HB 1676 is a good bill.

This is really getting comical now...the bill was modified a while ago and I did not realize it.  Now it is going to be the University of Washington, Predator Ecology Lab in the School of Environmental and Forest Sciences, conducting a 4 year study on wolves and ungulates.  It will now cost well into the 6 figures to fund. 

Here is my really favorite part for all of you like huntrights proclaiming this is a "good bill" for hunters...UW Predator Ecology Lab was proud to announce their joining the Pacific Wolf Coalition in a recent panel (Oct 2014)- And if you go to the Pacific Wolf Coalition website (http://pacificwolves.org/) you will see they are an organization pleased to be bringing wolves home to the west.   

So...all you "Yes" voters like huntrights that support this bill against my advice that no good could come from politicians directing research...may I ask why you think a group of Seattle academics who partner with wolf advocacy organizations advising and informing the state on how to manage predators and ungulates in Eastern Washington is a good idea? 

NO GOOD WILL COME OF POLITICIANS DIRECTING RESEARCH AND WILDLIFE MANAGEMENT IN SUCH A DIRECT MANNER.  To those handful of folks who voted no...

 

Not good!

[bearpaw]

HB 1676 is a good bill.

This is really getting comical now...the bill was modified a while ago and I did not realize it.  Now it is going to be the University of Washington, Predator Ecology Lab in the School of Environmental and Forest Sciences, conducting a 4 year study on wolves and ungulates.  It will now cost well into the 6 figures to fund. 

Here is my really favorite part for all of you like huntrights proclaiming this is a "good bill" for hunters...UW Predator Ecology Lab was proud to announce their joining the Pacific Wolf Coalition in a recent panel (Oct 2014)- And if you go to the Pacific Wolf Coalition website (http://pacificwolves.org/) you will see they are an organization pleased to be bringing wolves home to the west.   

So...all you "Yes" voters like huntrights that support this bill against my advice that no good could come from politicians directing research...may I ask why you think a group of Seattle academics who partner with wolf advocacy organizations advising and informing the state on how to manage predators and ungulates in Eastern Washington is a good idea? 

NO GOOD WILL COME OF POLITICIANS DIRECTING RESEARCH AND WILDLIFE MANAGEMENT IN SUCH A DIRECT MANNER.  To those handful of folks who voted no...

If this is true I would not be in favor of the bill now. The herd counts/study needs to be done by WDFW.
The WSU cougar study resulted in the current cougar quota mismanagement. If true about WSU, this is a turn for the bad with this bill.

I commented before investigating, I just got off the phone with a friend in Olympia regarding Substitute Bill 1676.

I misread the post by Idahohntr and assumed Wielgus would somehow be involved at WSU. I was wrong, the amendment will fund a study by Aaron Wirsing at UW. Wirsing may have a different perspective on predators than Wielgus.

I didn't get a chance to talk to our legislators Short and Kretz, but I was told Short favors the amended bill. I wouldn't think that she would support the amendment if she thought we would get a bogus study.

The one thing I am certain of is that we need to know the impacts of predators on ungulate populations, especially wolf impacts, which is what this bill addresses. Since this study doesn't involve Wielgus it will hopefully be an unbiased study of wolf impacts.