This is scary!

[carpsniperg2]

All the contenders I have ever owned or played with do that. You bump the trigger or pull it then try to cock the hammer and it will just free fall and not lock back. The encore is a different beast. I am not sure about it.

[RadSav]

All the contenders I have ever owned or played with do that. You bump the trigger or pull it then try to cock the hammer and it will just free fall and not lock back. The encore is a different beast. I am not sure about it.

I hope it has been changed.  There are a few combinations I would like to have in the Encore.  Neat little rifle.  I just won't buy one until there is either a certified fix or they have been fixed.

[Biggerhammer]

And? My factory Remington's will still remain as they are and I will continue to buy more.

Your right to do so..... .
As for "buying more"...........I wouldn't doubt it and by all accounts, any new Remington firearms that you buy should all now carry a completely new and redesigned trigger mechanism.  You should be good to go.  And if for some reason the exact same issues happen to occur with their newest trigger offering in your new rifle and the company is well aware of it ocurring repeatedly and has quite intentionally done nothing.....for years!  You can likely figure on not getting a recall notice, if history counts.  And many years after you've hunted with this weapon and have now handed it down to your son, you then learn that you were placed in harms way by a company, but more importantly, that you then handed that same firearm to your son believing that your gift to him was totally and unquestionably.....safe. Why wouldn't you?

'Family loyalty' always trumps 'brand loyalty'........IMHO

Quite the stretch but if that works for you.

[magnumb]

And? My factory Remington's will still remain as they are and I will continue to buy more.

Your right to do so..... .
As for "buying more"...........I wouldn't doubt it and by all accounts, any new Remington firearms that you buy should all now carry a completely new and redesigned trigger mechanism.  You should be good to go.  And if for some reason the exact same issues happen to occur with their newest trigger offering in your new rifle and the company is well aware of it ocurring repeatedly and has quite intentionally done nothing.....for years!  You can likely figure on not getting a recall notice, if history counts.  And many years after you've hunted with this weapon and have now handed it down to your son, you then learn that you were placed in harms way by a company, but more importantly, that you then handed that same firearm to your son believing that your gift to him was totally and unquestionably.....safe. Why wouldn't you?

'Family loyalty' always trumps 'brand loyalty'........IMHO

Quite the stretch but if that works for you.

You consider it "quite the stretch" to possibly even consider that Remington couldn't mass produce yet another faulty trigger mechanism or that Remington wouldn't choose to do the right thing when they've obviously already shown the propensity not to do so once before and chose not to do so for many, many years or that you yourself won't be hunting with Remingtons in the future or that you never have any intention of allowing a loved one to use your Remington(s) and/or that you might actually die someday and either through your own request or just how inherited and coveted personal belongings get divided within family members, that someday your Remingtons won't be kept, passed on down and used by your loved one's......?

I certainly have no ill will towards you or yours and this simple 'heads-up' was only intended as such....just a heads-up to all those either too young to have any knowledge of these earlier documented issues or for those that might have discounted such claims for whatever reason.  There is no personal agenda, incentive nor any other reason for me to do so.

I'm guessing that you're not immortal and that you are as caring, giving and as concerned for your loved one's, as I am.  So no......I don't believe for one moment that any of these scenarios couldn't or wouldn't happen.  Soooo......as for being "quite the stretch"......history, unfortunately, shows quite the opposite.

Good luck....

[headshot5]

I hope it has been changed.  There are a few combinations I would like to have in the Encore.  Neat little rifle.  I just won't buy one until there is either a certified fix or they have been fixed.

Yeah the G2 contenders and the Encore both have it fixed.  The trigger will reset itself, so the only way you could have a similar instance is if you tried to cock it while manually pulling the trigger (just like any other gun).  As soon as you let off the trigger it resets and the hammer will cock.  You are good to go if you get a G2 contender or an Encore! 

[jackelope]

You may be looking at all Contenders?? My Encore doesn't do that. The trigger must be pulled in order for the hammer to contact the firing pin. I have verified that the safety feature works on mine.

Have you pulled the trigger first and then tried to cock the hammer? 

That is when the trouble occurs.  It's not when the hammer is already back or even part way back.  The trigger, moved only a slight amount before the hammer is cocked, disengages the hammer latch and drops the safety both.  It's not like the Ruger issue where there is no safety and a strike to the hammer or a slip of the thumb at half cock will fire the round.  It's letting go of the hammer expecting it to stay latched and it doesn't.

I know no one should ever be pulling the trigger unless they intend to shoot.  But, in my case and my friends case the trigger must have been pulled by clothing, pack buckle or something first.  Then the hammer was cocked, or at least we tried to cock them!  I dang near killed the dog and my friend had to have the fire department come get him out of his tree stand.  He was messed up for quite some time.  Bullet went in mid calf, out the ankle and then put dang near a 2" hole in the foot.

It has been about a year since I saw one in a store.  So they may have finally fixed the issue.  But I sure as heck am not going to buy one until I find one that does not do that.  And so far I have not found one that's right.  Encore or Contender.

Huh...my Encore definitely  does not do that. I've owned it 6+ years now. Must be a 1st gen Contender thing...
 

[headshot5]

It is obvious that you have decided to discount our first hand experiences and the hundreds of other M700 owners who have reported similar experiences/AD's.......for your own reasons.  Being a 'brand loyalist' is not uncommon and seems to be a popular and easy approach to take under such circumstances.  What would, no doubt, be more prudent and more convincing would be for you to offer some intelligent reason (or several or any) why the huge #'s of M700 owners of years past all evidently had a bone big enough to pick with Remington that would make us and them lie about the AD's we all witnessed first hand.  If I remember correctly, a few deaths were incurred, as well.

Not discounting anything, as far as other peoples personal experience.  I've run a lot of M700's in my time.   I've come across many that have been adjusted by the previous owner, where they are not safe.  Before shooting any new gun, I strip them down and check them for function.  Pretty easy to do.  Go through a little testing without the chamber loaded, check if the sear engagement is correct.  Make sure depressing the trigger with the safety on doesn't move any of the trigger internals.   Pop the safety forward after pulling the trigger with the safety engaged.  Check and make sure the gun won't discharge.   Check for slam fires etc.  Then load up some cartridges and go shoot it.

No gun maker is infallible.  Any mechanical device can and will eventually fail.  At some point, it is the owners responsibility to do a function check.  If I find a trigger that cannot be made safe, I will put an aftermarket trigger in it and be good to go. 

I think it is more important to teach others how to properly check a guns function, then to swear off a certain brand because it could possibly fail.  I never discount 2nd hand experience, but I have enough first hand experience in this case to justify my statement above.   So if anyone is scared of their gun because of the above video,  let me know...  I can always do my Christmas shopping now!  If you don't feel comfortable checking your own gun hit up a gunsmith. 

[headshot5]

Huh...my Encore definitely  does not do that. I've owned it 6+ years now. Must be a 1st gen Contender thing...

Yeah it is definitely the original contender that does this.  If you cock it and lower the hammer, you cannot re-cock it without opening the action which resets the hammer block.  Also if the trigger gets inadvertently pulled, it also has to have the action open to reset the block.  Not the most amazing design, but originally contenders were used mostly for competition shooting where it is not as critical.  I had a regular contender fail me when I was about 10 years old.  Cost me a pretty nice blacktail.  Luckily, you can visually check the hammer block once you figure out the mechanics of the contender.  Or, you can just pop the action open and close it when you get to where you are hunting.   Not the perfect fix but it works.  I love the gen 1 triggers but prefer the updates in the G2's and the Encores. 

[Blacklab]

That's crazy!

That's a understatement! I think I would have craped myself 

[RadSav]

Huh...my Encore definitely  does not do that. I've owned it 6+ years now. Must be a 1st gen Contender thing...
 

I have definitely held Encores in the past that did it.  But this is good news!  Guess I need to put a shopping list together

[magnumb]

Anyone now scared of their remington 700's, hit me up if you want to sell.   

In other words, if you believe that your Remington has the potential to have an AD based on only a few hundred complaints, numerous prior documented AD's and that it could possibly endanger you and yours, then sell them to you because all of these 'sheeple' don't know what's really true and you know definitively that these firearms are totally safe.

That isn't discounting, even mocking, the irrefutable information/experiences shared by hundreds of shooters/hunters just like you and I......?

You're welcome to your opinion, but saying that you are "not discounting anything" is clearly not believable.  If everyone that's genuinely considering selling their Remington's did contact you to offer their firearms for sale as you quite voluntarily requested, you'd not honor your offer.  Given that, your comment in the above quote was written only as an attempt to 'discount' the pertinent information being offered.

I 'own' what I say or promise, whether correct or not and if not, I 'own' that as well and try to make amends ASAP.  I don't, however, try to portray something as other than I had initially intended in an attempt later to just save face.  Nor do I appreciate those that would do so thinking that I could or should be convinced of such, only because they said so.

   

[mountainman]

Just buy a Tikka! No recalls there..👍

[RadSav]

Just buy a Tikka! No recalls there..👍

So barrels blowing up is not a recall? 

Granted Sako reacted extremely fast and it has been a while.  But still...

http://www.thegunzone.com/rifles-kb.html

Glad I wasn't holding that gun when she went off!!!

[headshot5]

In other words, if you believe that your Remington has the potential to have an AD based on only a few hundred complaints, numerous prior documented AD's and that it could possibly endanger you and yours, then sell them to you because all of these 'sheeple' don't know what's really true and you know definitively that these firearms are totally safe.

Completely untrue and not what I was implying.  Yes there are Remington 700's in the world that will discharge when the trigger is not pulled.  They are either improperly adjusted, or factory defective.  However, with a quick change out of some parts they can be made completely safe to use, or an aftermarket trigger can be put in.  Now, some people may decide a Remington 700 is not for them based on either having a Remington 700 that is defective, or if they are against how Remington as a company handled their recall. 

Personally, I feel that Remington 700's are a well made rifle.  Yes there is a potential for failures.  Luckily they are easily diagnosed and repaired.  Like all things in life, there is an inherent risk in using them.  I'm not making fun of anybody by my statements.  Only saying that I would like the option buy a Remington 700 from members if they decide that Remington 700's are not for them. 

Once again I'm not discounting other peoples experience.  If I bought one that was faulty I would be using my hard earned money to make it safe for me to shoot.  I don't understand why that would trouble you.  Some are as easy as properly adjusting the trigger mechanism, others require an aftermarket trigger or swapping a new trigger system in.  I guess I apologize for ruffling your feathers (figure of speech I fully understand that you really don't have feathers...).      

Anyways I'm not interested in a continued debate of what I was implying, so this will be my last post in this thread, have a stellar Monday Magnumb.

[magnumb]

Just buy a Tikka! No recalls there..

So barrels blowing up is not a recall? 

Yep..........true.

Tikka had barrel issues shortly after becoming quite popular and shortly thereafter, they issued a recall.  I was lucky.  Of the many serial #'s posted for this recall, none of the several T3's I owned were recalled and I had purchased most of these T3's during the same time that these recalled barrels were also manufactured.

If someone construes this as 'bashing and/or slamming'......... .