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Re: ATTN Huntwa family: Did I make the right call?
« Reply #15 on: October 26, 2015, 09:36:42 AM »
To many individuals that just go for hair and pull the trigger and loose animals.  I have not taken the shot numerous times, due to bad angles.  It's never a good feeling, but it is the right one.
Many of the hair tag holders that just pull the trigger and loose animals seem to step up in gun and caliber, thinking it will solve the problems or be the cure for any shot placement.
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Re: ATTN Huntwa family: Did I make the right call?
« Reply #16 on: October 26, 2015, 09:46:43 AM »
If you're not confident of a one shot ethical kill, waiting is the right decision. I wish more hunters thought like you did.

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The ethical, clean shot is the best way to teach. I think in the long run your son will reflect back on it and appreciate the good foundation you have laid for him. I'm proud of your decision! :tup:
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Re: ATTN Huntwa family: Did I make the right call?
« Reply #17 on: October 26, 2015, 09:54:36 AM »
Great call and great job to your son on being patient. 

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Re: ATTN Huntwa family: Did I make the right call?
« Reply #18 on: October 26, 2015, 10:04:24 AM »
I've only taken 1 frontal shot with a rifle.  It was a bear 100yds away.  I shot of a set of tripod shooting sticks bear dropped when hit only to get up about 20 seconds later and run off through the thick stuff never to be seen again.  We searched for 2 days.  Better safe than sorry. :tup:

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Re: ATTN Huntwa family: Did I make the right call?
« Reply #19 on: October 26, 2015, 10:11:15 AM »
probably the right call with fading light . he has about a pie plate area to square with the 243 , buck fever , rest all comes into play. if he wounded it and lost that would feel worse.

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Re: ATTN Huntwa family: Did I make the right call?
« Reply #20 on: October 26, 2015, 10:15:14 AM »
Odds are it would have been a dead deer right there, but like most have said, if there is doubt then the right call was made.  Especially with a light caliber and in MY OPINION, a marginal bullet.  Last 95gr Fusion I saw launched out of a .243 was at a broadside mule deer @ 70 yards.  Hit a rib going in and grenaded.  Looked like someone shot the one lung with bird shot out of a .410!  Off side lung was perfect.  I'd switch to a 100gr Nosler Partition and never look back.  This is just my personal experience with the bullet so don't flame me.  I'm sure lots of folks have nothing but good to say about the bullet.
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Re: ATTN Huntwa family: Did I make the right call?
« Reply #21 on: October 26, 2015, 10:19:18 AM »
My answer to my son is always the same "if there is any doubt in your mind we never take the shot.   No matter how much we want it we can never bring a bullet back so if there is doubt it is better to wait and find a better alternative."  I had my father-in-law passe a buck last week that I was pretty sure was legal but at the end of shooting light but I couldn't 100% make out the 3rd point.  He's never shot a buck but I told him we had doubt so we let it go.  It is tough but the best solution I think to not have a "why did I take it" moment later.

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Re: ATTN Huntwa family: Did I make the right call?
« Reply #22 on: October 26, 2015, 10:26:40 AM »
I'm going to say you made the right call because I did the same thing to my son this last Sat in GMU101.  15 min of legal shooting light left, whitetail doe at 50yds, called him off because I thought it was to dark to make a good shot.  Glad the WDFW leans to the dark side with the shooting times but makes some decisions tough at times.
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Re: ATTN Huntwa family: Did I make the right call?
« Reply #23 on: October 26, 2015, 10:41:24 AM »
If it was me shooting at 65 yards I would take that shot all day long.  I am positive that at 65 yards a well placed neck shot would have put that deer into the dirt. However, you know your sons skill level and so whatever choice you made was the right one. The question is could the kid keep his nerves under control? The choice has been made and it is over. Trust that is was the right one at that time and keep hunting. I always tell new or young hunters the same thing " That just was not the buck you were meant to shoot, at least, not today".  I also  +1 the comment about teaching him patients as it will pay off in the long run. There is a time to be aggressive and a time to be cautious. I feel it is best to be good at both as each havr their place and offer opportunity for success.   
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Re: ATTN Huntwa family: Did I make the right call?
« Reply #24 on: October 26, 2015, 11:43:07 AM »
Thanks all for your thoughts on the subject. I never had any doubt that my son could make the shot, he never had doubt (that he showed anyway) that he could make it. In fact he kept saying he could take it. He practices regularly and I trust his shooting out to 150 maybe even better than my own. He was nervous and admitted that but I was more concerned that a lightweight load like that would not have made a quick kill and that we would be tracking forever or worse never find it.
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Re: ATTN Huntwa family: Did I make the right call?
« Reply #25 on: October 26, 2015, 12:13:52 PM »
You absolutely made the right call! Hunting with the kids is about teaching them life lessons, not necessarily killing an animal. The patience you are teaching him will pay off big later.

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Re: ATTN Huntwa family: Did I make the right call?
« Reply #26 on: October 26, 2015, 12:20:37 PM »
The 243 with Fusion combo would have had absolutely no problem killing that deer with a front on shot.  However, that is not an easy shot for a lot of veteran hunters to make in poor light.  While I'm sure your son is disappointed he did not get to shoot, I'm also sure he would have been more disappointed to shoot and not recover the deer.

Even if the equipment is capable I will take the instinct of a father over the eagerness of youth every time.  The lesson learned is a good one.  It wasn't a lesson that the weapon was poor.  It was a lesson that waiting for a high percentage shot is worth the risk of escape.  He may not understand that today.  But he will understand that when he drops the hammer on that perfectly positioned buck that becomes his first kill.

Hunting is filled with the frustrations of "Shoulda, Woulda, Coulda".  I think that is half the fun!  I know for myself, if I shot and killed every animal I wanted to kill I would have learned very little.  I'd also have only one boring story to tell each year. 
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Re: ATTN Huntwa family: Did I make the right call?
« Reply #27 on: October 26, 2015, 08:41:09 PM »
We had not the same scenario but similar last week.  Found a herd of 14 does and the boys held doe tags.  We sat and watched them as we caught our breath for about 10 minutes.  In that time I ranged them at 385 yards.  After 10 minutes or so, I set the rifle up on the sticks and one by one, sat both boys behind the rifle. 

At 3x power, the crosshairs completely covered the deer so 9x power it was.  Both boys did their proper breath control and tried and tried and each one said, "I don't feel like I can hold the gun steady enough to take the shot".

I was so proud of them both.  The oldest boy is 13 and has been hunting for 5 years now and my middle son is 11 and has been hunting for 3.  Either one of them could have easily said, "I'm good, I can take the shot" and I would have taken their word for it, trusting that they knew they could.  Since I couldn't see what they were seeing in the scope, I was prepared to trust their judgement, knowing how much they shoot and how well they handle the rifle.

I told the story back at camp and both boys got BIG congratulations for not taking a shot they didn't feel comfortable with.  I'll be more proud of that moment and their ethical and proper decision making skills until the day I die than any deer they ever harvest.

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Re: ATTN Huntwa family: Did I make the right call?
« Reply #28 on: October 26, 2015, 08:55:12 PM »
Absolutely the right call.
Regardless of relatively short range (65 yards) or off sticks at 500 yards ethical shots are the only shots any of us should take.
Your son's are lucky to have an ethical dad teaching valuable life lessons.

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Re: ATTN Huntwa family: Did I make the right call?
« Reply #29 on: October 26, 2015, 09:18:14 PM »
Might have been the right call for your son. Myself, I would have skipped the chest shot. Too much chance of a deflective non fatal shot off the ribs. Also a good hit can still cause a lot of damage at that angle. But I'd take a throat shot in those circumstances in a heartbeat.
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