Ethical to shoot past 400 yards at elk w/AR15 based rifle? Yes/No

[kenzmad]

As a muzzy hunter, I would ask, why shoot at 400-500 yards. Guess I would call into question the abilities of the hunter to only be able to get that "close". 400 yards to me means I am 300 yards to far away. 

[Karl Blanchard]

As a muzzy hunter, I would ask, why shoot at 400-500 yards. Guess I would call into question the abilities of the hunter to only be able to get that "close". 400 yards to me means I am 300 yards to far away. 

  As an archery hunter I wonder why shoot at 100 yards?  Guess I would call into question your ability as a hunter to be able to only get that "close".  100 yards means to me I am still 60 yards too far away

[superdown]

As a muzzy hunter, I would ask, why shoot at 400-500 yards. Guess I would call into question the abilities of the hunter to only be able to get that "close". 400 yards to me means I am 300 yards to far away. 

  As an archery hunter I wonder why shoot at 100 yards?  Guess I would call into question your ability as a hunter to be able to only get that "close".  100 yards means to me I am still 60 yards too far away

Well as a ball peen hammer hunter Guess i would call into question your ability as a hunter to be able to only get that "close" 40 yards still means i am still 39 yards too far away 

[Karl Blanchard]

As a muzzy hunter, I would ask, why shoot at 400-500 yards. Guess I would call into question the abilities of the hunter to only be able to get that "close". 400 yards to me means I am 300 yards to far away. 

  As an archery hunter I wonder why shoot at 100 yards?  Guess I would call into question your ability as a hunter to be able to only get that "close".  100 yards means to me I am still 60 yards too far away

Well as a ball peen hammer hunter Guess i would call into question your ability as a hunter to be able to only get that "close" 40 yards still means i am still 39 yards too far away 

[BULLBLASTER]

As a muzzy hunter, I would ask, why shoot at 400-500 yards. Guess I would call into question the abilities of the hunter to only be able to get that "close". 400 yards to me means I am 300 yards to far away. 

  As an archery hunter I wonder why shoot at 100 yards?  Guess I would call into question your ability as a hunter to be able to only get that "close".  100 yards means to me I am still 60 yards too far away

Well as a ball peen hammer hunter Guess i would call into question your ability as a hunter to be able to only get that "close" 40 yards still means i am still 39 yards too far away 

I can't believe anyone would hunt animals a yard away with a ball peen hammer. It's completely unethical.
Now I'm gonna go start a thread asking if it is to see if anyone agrees with me!
 





















 

[runamuk]

As a muzzy hunter, I would ask, why shoot at 400-500 yards. Guess I would call into question the abilities of the hunter to only be able to get that "close". 400 yards to me means I am 300 yards to far away. 

  As an archery hunter I wonder why shoot at 100 yards?  Guess I would call into question your ability as a hunter to be able to only get that "close".  100 yards means to me I am still 60 yards too far away

Well as a ball peen hammer hunter Guess i would call into question your ability as a hunter to be able to only get that "close" 40 yards still means i am still 39 yards too far away 

This exchange wins the day  best measuring contest ever.

[yorketransport]

I'm not qualified or knowledgeable enough to perform surgery on anyone or anything. Does that mean that it's unethical for a qualified individual to do so?

It sounds like you're imposing your personal limitations and short comings on other people. That's fine, but understand that the world is full of things that you simply aren't capable of doing. That doesn't make those things wrong, impossible, unethical, offensive, or anything else. It just means that they're out of your skill level.

If I want to take my lights out, tack driving specialty pistol and shoot bughole cloverleafs at 500 yards on a deer that's up to me.  I know that my equipment is up to the task because I've spent the time practicing.

You seem to really be hung up on hunting with ARs in any caliber at any range. Would you have the same concerns about people hunting at 4-500 yards with a 257 Roberts from a more traditional weapon?

And in defense of Elmer Kieth, comparing handgun hunting to rifle hunting is not entirely fair. Traditional handgun rounds like a 44 don't kill by energy transfer. The idea is simply to put two holes in the target. Air goes in, blood comes out. Loss of blood pressure is what kills not Taylor knockout values, kinetic energy, OGW formulas,  ballistic charts, armchair experts or the advice of some guy on Sipers hide. Bullets kill stuff by poking holes and causing bleeding. Poking holes in deer just isn't that tough and elk aren't that much tougher.

Having said all of that, ARs have some of the most anniemic calibers available in any platform. As soon as I figure out how to cram my 375 BME into an AR I'll show you some truly "unethical" shooting. Anything on 4 legs inside of 1400 yards is in trouble!

Andrew

[jackelope]

We were at 500 yards concerning deer when you started this, now I see your at 600 yards as of your last post.

No, it is not I who upped the range to 600 for deer.  If you care to look up this thread.... I do believe that it is you who posted a photo of a mule deer and the caption says 596 yards. 

To be sure, I thought it absolutely outrageous that someone would take 500 yard potshots at a mule deer with an AR15.  But what this photo/caption implies to me is that there are people out there who think nothing of shooting at big game animals that are essentially 3/8s of a mile away with AR15s.

These types of threads are the evil of this forum. You clearly already have it set in your mind how you feel on this topic. Also clearly, nobody is going to change your mind on it. So why bother starting a thread on ethics that will obviously stir the pot and cause more drama??
I'll never understand.

[jackelope]

We were at 500 yards concerning deer when you started this, now I see your at 600 yards as of your last post.

No, it is not I who upped the range to 600 for deer.  If you care to look up this thread.... I do believe that it is you who posted a photo of a mule deer and the caption says 596 yards. 

To be sure, I thought it absolutely outrageous that someone would take 500 yard potshots at a mule deer with an AR15.  But what this photo/caption implies to me is that there are people out there who think nothing of shooting at big game animals that are essentially 3/8s of a mile away with AR15s.

Pretty sure none of the folks commenting on this thread roll with "potshots" on anything.

[grundy53]

We were at 500 yards concerning deer when you started this, now I see your at 600 yards as of your last post.

No, it is not I who upped the range to 600 for deer.  If you care to look up this thread.... I do believe that it is you who posted a photo of a mule deer and the caption says 596 yards. 

To be sure, I thought it absolutely outrageous that someone would take 500 yard potshots at a mule deer with an AR15.  But what this photo/caption implies to me is that there are people out there who think nothing of shooting at big game animals that are essentially 3/8s of a mile away with AR15s.

These types of threads are the evil of this forum. You clearly already have it set in your mind how you feel on this topic. Also clearly, nobody is going to change your mind on it. So why bother starting a thread on ethics that will obviously stir the pot and cause more drama??
I'll never understand.

I agree. This thread is purely self aggrandizing.

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[NW-GSP]

I have a 6.8 spc and looking at charts it should be good on deer out to 400 yards. Will I shoot a deer at 400 yards with it? No, but that's only due to the fact that I have never practiced at that distance with that calber. I would not think badly of someone who would though.

I have a 300 win mag that I would not try to take an animal past 300 yards only due to the fact that I have never shot farther then 300 yards with it. There are plenty of guys that could make consistently make hits at 1000 yards with it.

My whole point is that it really depends on the shooter and the ammunition.

[bobcat]

I see nothing wrong with discussing this topic. People shouldn't be so sensitive about it. Nobody is going to agree 100% on this, or anything. My opinion- I know nothing about the cartridges available in AR-15's other than the 223. I would  say the 223 would be good for deer out to 250 yards at best.

[mountainman]

Some people can and many can't reliably put kills shots at 500 yards with an AR-15..likewise, some can but many can't hit a killing shot on a deer at 30 yards with a 338 edge...
  Its all in ability..

[Biggerhammer]

Some shouldn't even discuss equipment they don't have or shots that require expirience they don't have. Or little immature pokes from past posts thinking their being all sly but it's as transparent as it gets.

A bag full of trash is a bag full of trash no matter where it shows up.

[JDHasty]

We were at 500 yards concerning deer when you started this, now I see your at 600 yards as of your last post.

No, it is not I who upped the range to 600 for deer.  If you care to look up this thread.... I do believe that it is you who posted a photo of a mule deer and the caption says 596 yards. 

To be sure, I thought it absolutely outrageous that someone would take 500 yard potshots at a mule deer with an AR15.  But what this photo/caption implies to me is that there are people out there who think nothing of shooting at big game animals that are essentially 3/8s of a mile away with AR15s.

Pretty sure none of the folks commenting on this thread roll with "potshots" on anything.

Well there are some posting here who were posting about the value of "dumping a full magazine" in another thread.  That, in my estimation, qualifies as taking potshots.